Is this legal?

**Lowell Goudge** · 08-17-2011, 12:36 PM

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what is the old saying? A fool and his money are easily parted!

although I am quite sure that is unfair (maybe).

the question is, while this is something like a stop faster than the K50/1.2, are the photos worth the dfifference in cost, is the use for the lens really there?

I am sure the leica crowd says yes, the rest of us just shake our heads in wonderment as someone spends the equivelent of a full kit on one lens.

if you compare it to other luxary items, it is like getting a ferrari in place of a chev.

people all do it and drool over the damm things. I am not so sure the same is true of a leica

subidoc · 08-17-2011, 12:42 PM

At the end of the day, its legal to dream.

Here's a question: How is the Leica-R 90mm/f2 (not the new Apo) lens compared to the Pentax 100mm/f2.8?

Any thoughts??

Blue · 08-17-2011, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by subidoc

At the end of the day, its legal to dream.

Here's a question: How is the Leica-R 90mm/f2 (not the new Apo) lens compared to the Pentax 100mm/f2.8?

Any thoughts??

I guess it depends on which 100/2.8, A 100/2.8, F 100/2.8, FA 100/2.8, D FA 100/2.8 or D FA 100/2.8 WR.

The biggest advantage will be the speed. Someone is trying to trade a converted 90/2 in the marketplace for a FA 77.

**Lowell Goudge** · 08-17-2011, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by subidoc

At the end of the day, its legal to dream.

Here's a question: How is the Leica-R 90mm/f2 (not the new Apo) lens compared to the Pentax 100mm/f2.8?

Any thoughts??

Originally posted by Blue

I guess it depends on which 100/2.8, A 100/2.8, F 100/2.8, FA 100/2.8, D FA 100/2.8 or D FA 100/2.8 WR.

The biggest advantage will be the speed. Someone is trying to trade a converted 90/2 in the marketplace for a FA 77.

maybe we need to be careful here, there is, somewhere out there a couple of Takumar preset 100mmF2 lenses. Last one I saw on Fleece-Bay was posted with a BIN price of $4000.

**cpk** · 08-17-2011, 02:52 PM

Back in the mid 70s when I started using Leica Ms to do nightclub photography, I wanted to buy one of these. The lens was made in Canada in Midland, Ontario about 140 km from where I live. It had just been released. I forget how much it cost; but I remember that the 50mm f1.4 Summilux was about CDN$750. I couldn't get a Noctilux because, I suspect, most of them were being shipped to the US. They were actually cheaper there than here because we had an embedded manufacturing tax at the time. The Noctilux probably sold for about $1300-1500. I remember the Sumilux price because that is what I bought in the end. It did the job for me and was probably a better lens all round, as the Noctilux was best corrected for wide-open use and not as good stopped down (t least, according to the reviews). And the depth of field at f1 was nil. I did most of my shooting in the nightclubs at f2 so the Sumilux suited me fine.

**Kerrowdown** · 08-17-2011, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Pepe Guitarra

Does Pentax have one like this?

No Pentax dosen't, closest would be the 50mm F1.2 either K or A series.

The really scary thing is most of the these were for the M series Leica Rangefinder Cameras, so after spending all this money, you don't even get to look through this glass.

Laurentiu Cristofor · 08-17-2011, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Pepe Guitarra

Is it legal to pay this much for such a lens? Does Pentax have one like this?

Leica Noctilux 50mm F/1.0 M* M9 M8 M7 M6 MINT! NR! .99 | eBay

If that impresses you, check out the MSRP of this Sigma lens. And it comes in Pentax mount.

Blue · 08-17-2011, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by Lowell Goudge

maybe we need to be careful here, there is, somewhere out there a couple of Takumar preset 100mmF2 lenses. Last one I saw on Fleece-Bay was posted with a BIN price of $4000.

Those were 1:1 macro lenses I was referring to. I have seen a couple or 3 of those around for sell including ebay.

cmohr · 08-17-2011, 07:40 PM

Only 7000 odd, thats a cheap one. Look at this..

*Ltd 100* Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f/1 E60 6 bit 50/F1.0 | eBay

**Pepe Guitarra** · 08-17-2011, 08:23 PM

I decided to sell all my FAs and stick to the Takumars. I am having so much fun with them.

goddo31 · 08-17-2011, 09:12 PM

Although it's *slow* at f/1.2, my A 50/1.2 looks like pretty damn good value at this point!

eddie1960 · 08-18-2011, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor

If that impresses you, check out the MSRP of this Sigma lens. And it comes in Pentax mount.

Hate to burst your bubble but it only comes in sigma canon nikon mounts

eddie1960 · 08-18-2011, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by cmohr

Only 7000 odd, thats a cheap one. Look at this..

*Ltd 100* Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f/1 E60 6 bit 50/F1.0 | eBay

HAHA Classic Leica collector stuff. whoever buys it will likely never even mount it on a camera i'll just go on display. Leica does all sorts of insane collectible pieces. Aside from the box and all the other crap it comes with it's no different than buying the non-LTD version for less than half the price and being able to use it.

eddie1960 · 08-18-2011, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by cpk

Back in the mid 70s when I started using Leica Ms to do nightclub photography, I wanted to buy one of these. The lens was made in Canada in Midland, Ontario about 140 km from where I live. It had just been released. I forget how much it cost; but I remember that the 50mm f1.4 Summilux was about CDN$750. I couldn't get a Noctilux because, I suspect, most of them were being shipped to the US. They were actually cheaper there than here because we had an embedded manufacturing tax at the time. The Noctilux probably sold for about $1300-1500. I remember the Sumilux price because that is what I bought in the end. It did the job for me and was probably a better lens all round, as the Noctilux was best corrected for wide-open use and not as good stopped down (t least, according to the reviews). And the depth of field at f1 was nil. I did most of my shooting in the nightclubs at f2 so the Sumilux suited me fine.

It's a shame the Canadian plant only lasted for the one model. I almost bought one last year just before i went on vacation (the vacation is why i didn't) I should have it had the 50 1.4 and a 90 with it for $650 at one of the Pawn shops on Church st. I thought about it the entire trip and went in the day i got back. it had sold the day before

RioRico · 08-18-2011, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by Pepe Guitarra

I decided to sell all my FAs and stick to the Takumars. I am having so much fun with them.

Is this self-therapy?

08-17-2011, 06:26 PM	#23
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Lowell Goudge maybe we need to be careful here, there is, somewhere out there a couple of Takumar preset 100mmF2 lenses. Last one I saw on Fleece-Bay was posted with a BIN price of $4000. Those were 1:1 macro lenses I was referring to. I have seen a couple or 3 of those around for sell including ebay. Last edited by Blue; 08-17-2011 at 08:13 PM.

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08-17-2011, 12:36 PM	#16
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,888	Staff note: This post may contain affiliate links, which means Pentax Forums may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. If you would like to support the forum directly, you may also make a donation here. what is the old saying? A fool and his money are easily parted! although I am quite sure that is unfair (maybe). the question is, while this is something like a stop faster than the K50/1.2, are the photos worth the dfifference in cost, is the use for the lens really there? I am sure the leica crowd says yes, the rest of us just shake our heads in wonderment as someone spends the equivelent of a full kit on one lens. if you compare it to other luxary items, it is like getting a ferrari in place of a chev. people all do it and drool over the damm things. I am not so sure the same is true of a leica

08-17-2011, 12:42 PM	#17
subidoc Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Somewhere near the middle... Posts: 325	At the end of the day, its legal to dream. Here's a question: How is the Leica-R 90mm/f2 (not the new Apo) lens compared to the Pentax 100mm/f2.8? Any thoughts??

08-17-2011, 12:54 PM	#18
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by subidoc At the end of the day, its legal to dream. Here's a question: How is the Leica-R 90mm/f2 (not the new Apo) lens compared to the Pentax 100mm/f2.8? Any thoughts?? I guess it depends on which 100/2.8, A 100/2.8, F 100/2.8, FA 100/2.8, D FA 100/2.8 or D FA 100/2.8 WR. The biggest advantage will be the speed. Someone is trying to trade a converted 90/2 in the marketplace for a FA 77.

08-17-2011, 01:54 PM	#19
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,888	Originally posted by subidoc At the end of the day, its legal to dream. Here's a question: How is the Leica-R 90mm/f2 (not the new Apo) lens compared to the Pentax 100mm/f2.8? Any thoughts?? Originally posted by Blue I guess it depends on which 100/2.8, A 100/2.8, F 100/2.8, FA 100/2.8, D FA 100/2.8 or D FA 100/2.8 WR. The biggest advantage will be the speed. Someone is trying to trade a converted 90/2 in the marketplace for a FA 77. maybe we need to be careful here, there is, somewhere out there a couple of Takumar preset 100mmF2 lenses. Last one I saw on Fleece-Bay was posted with a BIN price of $4000.

08-17-2011, 02:52 PM	#20
cpk Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Montreal Posts: 638	Back in the mid 70s when I started using Leica Ms to do nightclub photography, I wanted to buy one of these. The lens was made in Canada in Midland, Ontario about 140 km from where I live. It had just been released. I forget how much it cost; but I remember that the 50mm f1.4 Summilux was about CDN$750. I couldn't get a Noctilux because, I suspect, most of them were being shipped to the US. They were actually cheaper there than here because we had an embedded manufacturing tax at the time. The Noctilux probably sold for about $1300-1500. I remember the Sumilux price because that is what I bought in the end. It did the job for me and was probably a better lens all round, as the Noctilux was best corrected for wide-open use and not as good stopped down (t least, according to the reviews). And the depth of field at f1 was nil. I did most of my shooting in the nightclubs at f2 so the Sumilux suited me fine.

08-17-2011, 03:30 PM	#21
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,819	Originally posted by Pepe Guitarra Does Pentax have one like this? No Pentax dosen't, closest would be the 50mm F1.2 either K or A series. The really scary thing is most of the these were for the M series Leica Rangefinder Cameras, so after spending all this money, you don't even get to look through this glass.

08-17-2011, 05:06 PM	#22
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	Originally posted by Pepe Guitarra Is it legal to pay this much for such a lens? Does Pentax have one like this? Leica Noctilux 50mm F/1.0 M* M9 M8 M7 M6 MINT! NR! .99 \| eBay If that impresses you, check out the MSRP of this Sigma lens. And it comes in Pentax mount.

08-17-2011, 07:40 PM	#24
cmohr Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Brisbane. Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,824	Only 7000 odd, thats a cheap one. Look at this.. Ltd 100 Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f/1 E60 6 bit 50/F1.0 \| eBay

08-17-2011, 08:23 PM	#25
Pepe Guitarra Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,223 Original Poster	I decided to sell all my FAs and stick to the Takumars. I am having so much fun with them.

08-17-2011, 09:12 PM	#26
goddo31 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,576	Although it's slow at f/1.2, my A 50/1.2 looks like pretty damn good value at this point!

08-18-2011, 06:40 AM	#27
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor If that impresses you, check out the MSRP of this Sigma lens. And it comes in Pentax mount. Hate to burst your bubble but it only comes in sigma canon nikon mounts

08-18-2011, 06:44 AM	#28
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by cmohr Only 7000 odd, thats a cheap one. Look at this.. Ltd 100 Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f/1 E60 6 bit 50/F1.0 \| eBay HAHA Classic Leica collector stuff. whoever buys it will likely never even mount it on a camera i'll just go on display. Leica does all sorts of insane collectible pieces. Aside from the box and all the other crap it comes with it's no different than buying the non-LTD version for less than half the price and being able to use it.

08-18-2011, 06:46 AM	#29
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by cpk Back in the mid 70s when I started using Leica Ms to do nightclub photography, I wanted to buy one of these. The lens was made in Canada in Midland, Ontario about 140 km from where I live. It had just been released. I forget how much it cost; but I remember that the 50mm f1.4 Summilux was about CDN$750. I couldn't get a Noctilux because, I suspect, most of them were being shipped to the US. They were actually cheaper there than here because we had an embedded manufacturing tax at the time. The Noctilux probably sold for about $1300-1500. I remember the Sumilux price because that is what I bought in the end. It did the job for me and was probably a better lens all round, as the Noctilux was best corrected for wide-open use and not as good stopped down (t least, according to the reviews). And the depth of field at f1 was nil. I did most of my shooting in the nightclubs at f2 so the Sumilux suited me fine. It's a shame the Canadian plant only lasted for the one model. I almost bought one last year just before i went on vacation (the vacation is why i didn't) I should have it had the 50 1.4 and a 90 with it for $650 at one of the Pawn shops on Church st. I thought about it the entire trip and went in the day i got back. it had sold the day before

08-18-2011, 08:54 AM	#30
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by Pepe Guitarra I decided to sell all my FAs and stick to the Takumars. I am having so much fun with them. Is this self-therapy?