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08-25-2011, 02:40 AM   #1
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Recommend me a K5 kit!

He guys, i've taken the dive and have decided to make the switch from Canon to Pentax, much to the dismay of friends and diehards of the aforementioned brand whom remark with classic quotes such as "Pen..what?" "Why..but why?!" and the predictable "Why the hell would you want to do that for? Canon is l33t brah!" I'm set on the Pentax K5, i'll never use video so it was a no brainer for me, as I had a play with on of my friends K5 and loved the layout and smaller size. I'm going to be doing a good mix of street / candid photography, landscape and night event photography, with a mix of portrait here and there. I do..ahh..topless waiting hahaha, so I'm lobbed with the task of doing the photography at the hens nights and birthday parties as well as being topless and entertaining the crowd...very daunting! So with all that mind i'd love to hear some recommendations on about 3 lenses that would start me off in the right direction. To give you some insight, on my 7D I owned the Canon 50mm f1.4, Canon L 24-105mm f4, and the much loved Tokina 11-16 (best out of the lot). After scouring through these forums for many hours reading comparisons, looking at lens club photos and such, its actually become harder! So many brilliant primes (which I love!). My budget is $3600 including the body, which I can get for $1200, leaving 2400 on lenses and maybe either a solid flash (recommendations?) and / or a lee filter set!

So far, ive had the following lenses in mind;

Pentax 31mm limited
Pentax 77mm limited
Sigma 10-22mm
Pentax 12-24mm
Pentax 35mm

Only one zoom! Hahaha well, i've never been a big zoom user, my brain is just hard wired to make do with primes and move my feet around to get the composition right! So what do you think guys? If I had to choose 3 to set me off, i'd pick the 31mm, 77mm and Pentax 12-24mm. Regarding the first two lenses, the 31 for walkabout street, 77 for portraits and then lastly the 12-24 for landscapes? Still leaves a little coin left over for a good flash. Any help would be greatly appreciated, cheers guys!

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If you're looking to replicate the focal length and lenses you had on Canon, I'd suggest the DA 12-24, Tamron 28-75, FA 77 ltd. That's going to come really close to $2400.
Of course, your choice for the DA 12-24, 31 and 77 would be even better IMO, but I think you'll struggle to get them all for less than $2400. Ideally, you'd also have the 43 limited.

All the best in your decision.
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To be honest, I had more fun with my little lumix GF1 than I ever did with my 7D - big call, but those huge lenses while travelling really do eliminate some of the fun in creativity. The 31mm pictures look absolutely fantastic! Cheapest i've seen is $1200AUD, the 77mm at $800 and the 12-24 at 900, so yes, over budget! Maybe I'll shoot towards the Sigma 10-22? Less than half the cost, around $400AUD. Is the 12-24 really $500 better?
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If you want to save a little the DA70 is a great alternative for the FA77. The FA31 is peerless though, the DA40 and DA21 are not worthy substitutes. The 12-24 is great but probably not worth $500 more than the 10-20. I like the DA15 a lot more than the DA12-24 but then it's a zoom vs. prime thing.

Good luck

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QuoteOriginally posted by twitch Quote
If you want to save a little the DA70 is a great alternative for the FA77. The FA31 is peerless though, the DA40 and DA21 are not worthy substitutes. The 12-24 is great but probably not worth $500 more than the 10-20. I like the DA15 a lot more than the DA12-24 but then it's a zoom vs. prime thing.

Good luck
Cheers twitch! Do you find, with landscapes at least, that you could do with the extra reach sometimes? The 12-24 and 10-22 sigma offer significantly more in the frame, just worried about distortion and CA. As far as wide angles go, ive only really been used to the brilliant 11-16 Tokina which is so hard to fault. Do you wish you have that extra, 3 to 5mm?
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why not just go for all the DA limiteds ? you'll have a competent kit that covers a wide range pretty well and give you all the wide-open image quality you could want, all in a pretty compact package that can be had used for about 2100. for low-light the k-5 has plenty of ISO to spare, so the relative slowness in comparison to the FA limiteds isn't much of an issue, especially since you'll still have some money left over for a decent flash.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Blitz_ Quote
Cheers twitch! Do you find, with landscapes at least, that you could do with the extra reach sometimes? The 12-24 and 10-22 sigma offer significantly more in the frame, just worried about distortion and CA. As far as wide angles go, ive only really been used to the brilliant 11-16 Tokina which is so hard to fault. Do you wish you have that extra, 3 to 5mm?
I do have the DA15 & DA12-24, and for landscapes I far prefer the DA15. I think the adage that primes are for play, and zooms are for work applies here. If you want wide for "work" (eg shooting events) then buy a zoom, otherwise the DA15 is the biz.
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QuoteOriginally posted by twitch Quote
If you want to save a little the DA70 is a great alternative for the FA77. The FA31 is peerless though, the DA40 and DA21 are not worthy substitutes. The 12-24 is great but probably not worth $500 more than the 10-20. I like the DA15 a lot more than the DA12-24 but then it's a zoom vs. prime thing.

Good luck
I wouldn't really call it a substitute, but depending on the need the FA 43 could be a stand-in for the significantly more expensive 31. There are IQ differences, but the biggest hurdle would be if you need that wider FOV. It isn't huge, but it is noticeable. Both lenses produce great output. The things I actually like better about the 43 are its size and price.

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If what you liked was size, and will do street/candid the kit should be 15,31 and 77 limiteds (those lenses are a joy to play with and the pack k5/prime is small and light.
You can buy the 35 instead of the 31 if it gets out of budget (that well priced lense has an amazing rep).
As for the flash: don't you have a canon flash? if it's mid to high level you can use it in manual. Or you can buy used nikon sb's for a decent price, paired with a radio trigger (you're looking at an expense of 120$ more for a great flash, especially the sb28, power and feature packed beasts). That's if manual does not scare you of course.

I personally own a Tamron 28-75 f2,8 and a sigma 8-16 and praise and love them...the 8-16 is my most used lens...but that's because i'm relatively poor and my money goes to lighting gear this days (if i had heaps of money i would buy the limiteds...just loved them when i tried them). But if budget goes low you can always pick two primes and one of these zooms (or the 10-20).
I think you could see the price for a 10-20 ,35 ,77 limited and another lens + used flash (or 15, 28-75 f2.8, 77 limited and another lens) ..it may get very near to the three limiteds kit price.
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I really like the 10-17mm Fisheye, it's a lot of fun and surprisingly useful. If you do macro, pick your size. I have the FA100mm, which looks cool and works really well.

Personally there are only two more lenses I'd really like, the DA35mm macro ltd and the 18-135WR for the WR and my wife wants a "mommy lens" for superzoom which the 18-135 should fit. I made her shoot last weekend with my old K-10 and the 10-17 and she got some great shots. Working outside your comfort zone sometimes pays off.
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If what you liked was size, and will do street/candid the kit should be 15,31 and 77 limiteds (those lenses are a joy to play with and the pack k5/prime is small and light.
You can buy the 35 instead of the 31 if it gets out of budget (that well priced lense has an amazing rep).
As for the flash: don't you have a canon flash? if it's mid to high level you can use it in manual. Or you can buy used nikon sb's for a decent price, paired with a radio trigger (you're looking at an expense of 120$ more for a great flash, especially the sb28, power and feature packed beasts). That's if manual does not scare you of course.

I personally own a Tamron 28-75 f2,8 and a sigma 8-16 and praise and love them...the 8-16 is my most used lens...but that's because i'm relatively poor and my money goes to lighting gear this days (if i had heaps of money i would buy the limiteds...just loved them when i tried them). But if budget goes low you can always pick two primes and one of these zooms (or the 10-20).
I think you could see the price for a 10-20 ,35 ,77 limited and another lens + used flash (or 15, 28-75 f2.8, 77 limited and another lens) ..it may get very near to the three limiteds kit price.
How is the 8-16mm? I like the idea of the 15mm, a wide angle prime - sharper pictures especially in the center, but then again I've grown accustomed to the Tokina 11-16mm, which really is a superb wide angle lens, quite possibly the greatest wide angle lens i've ever used. There's a reason for its cult status - I recieved 23 calls in 6 days when I put it up for sale. Crazy! I don't have a flash actually, only borrowed a speedlight when I had the chance. I've had a dip into manual mode now and then, but because of time, and how quickly things go at a show, ive let the camera do most the thinking.

Wonderful advice guys! I love primes and its good to know Pentax has such a wonderful range. Kind of narrowed it down to

31 or the 35mm
77mm Ltd
15mm Ltd or 12-24mm (I really do love the sprawling vista's the extra reach gives you, then again you could just crop the 15mm image to achieve the same??)
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EDIT: Just did some more research and reading, the Sigma 85mm f1.4 is the same price as the 77mm Ltd! Too many choices!!
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Da* 50-135

If you can work this lens in to your mix, I would recommend the DA*50-135 as this lens is just fantastic. Quality of both lens and pictures are great. Nice about the lens is also the size as it is not too large. I am now in the process of changing my lens setup since I started using this a few months ago. In addition to the 50-135 that I have I am looking at adding the 15mm and 35mm macro.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Blitz_ Quote
To give you some insight, on my 7D I owned the Canon 50mm f1.4, Canon L 24-105mm f4, and the much loved Tokina 11-16 (best out of the lot).
Since they are both crop cameras...

What about the DA 12-24 f4, Tamron 28-75 f2.8, and FA 50 1.4?

That would be a pretty close approximation of what you used to have... roughly. Not as long. Not sure how often you used 75-105mm.

You could sub the FA 43 for the FA 50 if you want. Might be wider than you are used to (canon 50 1.4 is what you used, yes?)
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Since they are both crop cameras...

What about the DA 12-24 f4, Tamron 28-75 f2.8, and FA 50 1.4?

That would be a pretty close approximation of what you used to have... roughly. Not as long. Not sure how often you used 75-105mm.

You could sub the FA 43 for the FA 50 if you want. Might be wider than you are used to (canon 50 1.4 is what you used, yes?)
Yep, 50mm f1.4! Not a spectacular lens by any means, but nice and fast. For the sake of money I think I might just swing with the newer Sigma 10-22 f3.5, more akin to the Tokina 11-16 I used and $400AUD cheaper than the 12-24 pentax! Gives me more space to purchase either the 31mm Ltd or 35mm Ltd, and then the 77mm Ltd or Sigma 85mm f1.4 for portraits. I'm not the biggest zoom lens fan and would prefer to restrict their use to landscapes if I could. The 24-105 L i bought with the 7D and rarely used it over say, 80mm focal length. Sigma 10-22 $500, Pentax 31mm $1200, Sigma $830 (same price as the 77mm!!) = $2500 so pretty spot on for my budget there
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