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09-08-2011, 03:50 AM   #1
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Anyone know anything about this m42 135mm 2.8?

I found this 135mm f2.8 lens and was wondering if anyone knows more about it, IQ-wise.

All i have is this picture (it's from a local ad). I reckon it's not worth the $80 it is going for but maybe I can lower that, if only I would know more about it.
Google machine failed me, I only found out that RioRico probably has it so pls help

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QuoteOriginally posted by 1marek Quote
RioRico probably has it
That's always a good supposition. Have you PM'ed him?
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QuoteOriginally posted by 1marek:
RioRico probably has it
That's always a good supposition. Have you PM'ed him?
No need, I'm here. And yeah, I had that lens. Bought it for US$17.35 (shipped), sold it for $21.50 (plus shipping). It's the only 2-ring preset lens I've sold and now I rather wish I hadn't. IIRC it had the slightest purple fringing but nothing else wrong with it, I just didn't feel real attached to it. What a fool I was! Turning loose a good lens! [/me dunks /me head in bucket of cold water]

What's it worth? Well, a few months ago I paid US$60 (out the door) for a S-M-C Tak 135/2.5 and US$47 (shipped) for a S-M-C Tak 135/3.5, two of the best damn 135's ever made. The Sunset 135 is not in that league. It's closer to other generic (Hanimex, Opticam, Rokinon) 135/2.8's I've bought for US$10-20. If I 1) had no other 135s and 2) was desperate, I'd pay maybe US$25 for it. Well, maybe US$35 if I'd won at lotto lately, because 2-ring preset 135s aren't real common. (Just 3 of my 15 135's are 2-ring.) Eighty bucks? Ha. [/me flatulates in seller's general direction]

If you're desperate for the lens, offer US$40 shipped. Otherwise, look for a Rokinon or Focal or Soligor or whatever.
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QuoteOriginally posted by 1marek Quote
I found this 135mm f2.8 lens and . . .
I'm planning on adding a 135mm to my kit. I've checked out everything affordable (since I'd prefer the unaffordable Voigtlander 125); so far the best reviews I've seen are for the Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135, which can be had for around $150 as it is here. A member here (Frogfish/Kevin) said he prefers his Tak 135 (I don't know which one he has), but I think I am still going for the Zeiss (I have seen quite a few Tak 135s on Ebay at affordable prices recently).

This Sirens review concludes:

"Carl Zeiss Jena MC Sonnar 135mm f/3.5 showed outstanding performance in the lab. Images were sharp from corner to corner throughout the tested aperture range. More importantly, performance was even both in the center and around borders, which is a major benefit in any lens. Actually, the lens produced one of the most consistent results among medium telephoto lenses tested to date. With no peaks or dips in performance, the lens is capable of producing outstanding 19in and very decent 24in prints throughout tested aperture settings - quite an achievement even for a telephoto fixed focal. Conclusion? With outstanding results across the frame and across aperture range, this 20+ year old lens design still goes strong and would put to test any modern lens.

"We might have stumbled on a diamond in the rough here. Carl Zeiss Jena MC Sonnar 135mm f/3.5 certainly delivers a lot of bang for the buck and has very few shortcomings (aside from being a fully manual lens that you need to adopt to your favorite dSLR that is). As a matter of fact, the only shortcoming that comes to my mind is it's relatively slow speed - f/3.5 is not going to win any prizes here. Nevertheless, considering its image and build quality, its compact size, light weight and its price, the lens should probably remain on the shopping list of anyone interested in finding a good bargain among alternative mount lenses."


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QuoteOriginally posted by les3547 Quote
A member here (Frogfish/Kevin) said he prefers his Tak 135 (I don't know which one he has), but I think I am still going for the Zeiss (I have seen quite a few Tak 135s on Ebay at affordable prices recently).
I dimly recall a post from a few weeks ago, maybe over at the MFLenses.Com forum, about tests showing the Tak and Zeiss 135/3.5's to have nearly indistinguishable results, with the Tak having the very slightest edge in corner sharpness. Jupiter and Tair 135s (Zeiss clones) are also well-regarded, but I think Taks go for lower prices.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RioRico Quote
I dimly recall a post from a few weeks ago, maybe over at the MFLenses.Com forum, about tests showing the Tak and Zeiss 135/3.5's to have nearly indistinguishable results, with the Tak having the very slightest edge in corner sharpness. Jupiter and Tair 135s (Zeiss clones) are also well-regarded, but I think Taks go for lower prices.
I think this is a supply/US thing. I have always seen way more Takumars for sale here, few CZJs and never seen a CZJ at a price that I wanted to pay. In other countries, the supply situation must be different, because I have often read about better prices. (The one mentioned here is in Prague.) Then there is build quality uncertainty. If a Takumar hasn't been dropped from a building, it's usually fine. My impression is that the CZJ is not that consistent, though some are fine.
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If a Takumar hasn't been dropped from a building, it's usually fine. My impression is that the CZJ is not that consistent, though some are fine.
Could make for an interesting shootout.
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Also, it is very hard to find a "bad" 135mm lens, especially if they are within the f2.8 and f4

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QuoteOriginally posted by les3547 Quote
Could make for an interesting shootout.
Wouldn't that be more of a drop-out?

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Also, it is very hard to find a "bad" 135mm lens, especially if they are within the f2.8 and f4
Yes, I was going to mention this. (I haven't had enough depresso [decaf espresso] yet this morning, duh...) Of the 30+ 135's that have passed through my hands, the closest I've come to 'bad' are a Sears-Ricoh 'macro' with a bit more fringing than I cared for (but my buyer loved it!) and a damaged Hanimex. Most 135's are good but some are gooder than others, eh?

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The Sunset 135 is not in that league. It's closer to other generic (Hanimex, Opticam, Rokinon) 135/2.8's
Thought this might be the case.

I just recently got me a new toy, an SMC Tak 55/1,8 in excellent condition, so I'm in no hurry to get another one, I still need to test this bugger. I'm just starting to get into this whole manual-focus-glass-thing, so I guess I'll wait for the opportune moment, thanks for the advice. :ugh:
Although, two local CZJ 135 3,5s going for $110 aren't helping that.... But Im cool, I can take it, I'm waiting for the Tak... I mean, who needs a M42 Carl Zeiss Jena MC Sonnar 3.5/135 in excellent condition anyway?!

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QuoteOriginally posted by 1marek Quote
Although, two local CZJ 135 3,5s going for $110 aren't helping that.... But Im cool, I can take it, I'm waiting for the Tak... I mean, who needs a M42 Carl Zeiss Jena MC Sonnar 3.5/135 in excellent condition anyway?!
Ah, that depends. Are they the big black buggers with a few iris blades, or the sleek aluminium dwarves with many blades? The latter might only be in Exakta mount, but that's trivial to mod for Pentax. Mo blades = mo bettah.
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QuoteOriginally posted by 1marek Quote
. . . who needs a M42 Carl Zeiss Jena MC Sonnar 3.5/135 in excellent condition anyway?!

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Hey, over here, ME
Good luck with that

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Are they the big black buggers with a few iris blades, or the sleek aluminium dwarves with many blades?
No idea. :shrug: To me it looks like a li'l bit of both

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QuoteOriginally posted by RioRico Quote
that's trivial to mod for Pentax
Care to elaborate on that? Does it involve cutting, carving, grinding, scraping, sanding, routing and/or polishing?
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/125162-exakta-...eld-index.html
Is this it?

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Mo blades = mo bettah
Okay, I'll play... :sigh:
How many blades in the one on the above pic? 20-ish?

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Yup, that's it. Ah, but that lens has the stop-down button. I haven't yet figured how to deal with that. Oh bother...

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How many blades in the one on the above pic? 20-ish?
Dunno, I'm not a CZJ wonk. But it's a likely candidate -- except for the button. Maybe that could be glued+clamped?
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Dunno, I'm not a CZJ wonk.
But you have been very helpful nonetheless. Many thanks

Upon oral inquiry I found out that this Sonnar fella has 6 blades, seems that it's a later version of the alu one.
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