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09-22-2011, 08:19 PM   #1
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40mm limited versus 77mm

Does anyone have experience with both? I purchased the 40mm a while back.. but read that the 77mm outperformed. I'm wondering how much of this is just rabble-rousing:>

09-22-2011, 08:24 PM   #2
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not really two lenses you'll ever hear being compared.....

F/2.8 vs. F/1.8
Size = DA 40 > FA 77
Price
77mm vs. 40mm
AF speed im assuming is faster on the DA 40mm
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you may get all sorts of responses to such a provocative question but i've used both and the 40 is a great lens. the 77 is a FANTASTIC lens, it is perhaps my favorite so far. but depends what you want really. IMO, yes, the difference between the two is clear to see in the photos. have fun shopping.
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QuoteOriginally posted by yeatzee Quote
not really two lenses you'll ever hear being compared!
I'd have to agree. The 40 vs 43, the 70 vs 77 and maybe the 35 vs 31... but I can't say that I've ever heard anyone directly compare the 40 to the 77

So back to the OP, I do own both and they're both outstanding lenses, but they serve very different purposes and I wouldn't say one is "better" than the other.

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You could put a 2x teleconverter on the 40 limited and you'd get about the same focal length. Seriously though, the DA 40 Limited is a very good lens. The FA 77 Limited is a "10". I do have both, and the FA 77 is what tends to stay on my camera.
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A recent relevant thread is :
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/158432-series-best.html

In another review by a photographer (sm-02-05-02), he concluded:
"The very best AF SLR lenses made today are the Pentax [FA] Limiteds. There are only three, and they have focal lengths apparently chosen by means of occultish numerology: there's a [FA] 31mm f/1.8 wide, a [FA] 43mm f/1.9 "true" normal, and a [FA] 77mm f/1.8 short tele." [...]
"Yet all things considered, the 77mm may be the best lens of the three
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I do not have either lenses, but I would love the DA40mm of its compact size (eg for street photography) while the FA77 mm is a FA, a tempting lens of high reputation...

Food for thoughts....

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The DA 40 is simply an excellent lens, but clearly does not have the thin DoF capability that the FA 77 does. Nevertheless, these are two lenses for quite different purposes - both good for portraiture, but quite different in rendition, not just in terms of the difference between FA and DA limiteds.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mikeSF Quote
you may get all sorts of responses to such a provocative question but i've used both and the 40 is a great lens. the 77 is a FANTASTIC lens, it is perhaps my favorite so far. but depends what you want really. IMO, yes, the difference between the two is clear to see in the photos. have fun shopping.
If MikeSF says the 77 is better I believe him, he is mister limited guy in these parts. However, they are two quite different purposed lenses.

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77 is for portraits. Its a tight FOV for normal use. Also lots of CA.

40 is for everyday. Flexible but not special. Maybe the most fun lens you will use.

77 is a speciality lens. It has the best IQ ive ever use in a VERY limited set of circumstances.

The 40 does not match the 77 in quality, but 8/10 times it will get me the better photo because it is so much more flexible.
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I also have both lenses and would have to agree with most comments: the lenses are very different and master different situations.

If I were to choose and purchase only one of them, ignoring the other lenses I own, I guess I would purchase the 40mm because it is closer to normal, very flexible and very fun to use.
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im so proud of my brethren for not uttering the "p.d." phrase.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mikeSF Quote
im so proud of my brethren for not uttering the "p.d." phrase.
The PD phrase? Pentax Dominatrix? Portrait Dummy? Photographic Delights? Please Don't? Peripheral Distortion? Putrid Detritus? Polychromatic Disestablishmentarianism? Political Doo-doo? Which PD phrase?
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QuoteOriginally posted by RioRico Quote
The PD phrase? Pentax Dominatrix? Portrait Dummy? Photographic Delights? Please Don't? Peripheral Distortion? Putrid Detritus? Polychromatic Disestablishmentarianism? Political Doo-doo? Which PD phrase?
I was wondering the same thing this morning...
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QuoteOriginally posted by mikeSF Quote
im so proud of my brethren for not uttering the "p.d." phrase.
Well, not until you brought it up. ;-)

In all seriousness, I can't see these two lenses being compared, since they have such different focal lengths. I would pretty staunchly disagree at this point that the 77 is for niche purposes only, but that seems to be the popular thing to say here. In any event, I disagree. The real question is whether the focal length would suit your purposes, and there is no denying that the 40mm will be better suited to doing more things decently well than a short-moderate tele like the 77.

That certainly doesn't make it better, but at a fraction of the cost of the 77 it also makes it much less of a gamble. :-)
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PD: Print, dammit!

ObTopic: This compares oranges and orangutans. Shall I match-up my large-ish Tokina 21/3.8 with my itsy-bitsy Meyer Helioplan 40/4.5 pancake? They're about as different as the Limiteds, sure.

PD: Pretty dirty!
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