Originally posted by pz1fan I have MIJ FA43mm and it is miles better than my AIV FA31mm, which frankly is too soft and requires a large micro adjustment. This is just my experience. Have never seen the MIJ FA31mm to compare it to. I did see some fantastic AIV FA31mm images on this forum posted by someone who rented the FA31 for travel.
Were any of the bad MIJ copies you came across later serial numbers? I've read somewhere that the best FA31mm were those with early serial numbers.
FA43/77 & FA31 are built differently. Essentially the 1st 2 are based on the M/A helicoil design and misalignment is less likely to happen because the whole lens group moves as a single unit. The 31 have 3 lens groups moving independently and are all screwed together with rollers and smooth barrels. This design requires very high precision on parts manufacturing, or at least screening afterward. IMHO Pentax fail on both, after disassembled a few samples to see what went wrong myself. This lens can be awesome, but translating the design into production is another matter.
I bought my 1st FA31 around 2003, and checked out 3 samples locally. All of them had wobble hood and the one with firm hood, the front element was scratched (and scratched inner elements is rather common with Pentax new lenses). Over the years I have come across around 6-7 samples, and the latest one was AIV black this year. Whiny focusing mechanism due to defective barrel. There have been many more brand new MIJ defective cameras and lenses I have come across over the years, more than I would like to believe. If not for the fact that I can address some of them myself, I would probably not using Pentax now (I have to admit that I have more fun fixing lenses/cameras than actual shooting).
Originally posted by Aegon Around 2008 or 2009, assembly was moved to Vietnam and many people showed up on the forums with decentered or otherwise bad AIV copies. A search from that time period will provide examples.
I believe that when assembly was moved, quality control was not yet properly established, and AIV lenses from that period were more likely to have issues.
I also believe that quality control problems were fixed and over time AIV lenses should be on par with MIJ lenses.
Therefore, as a rule, I don't want to buy an early run AIV lens. The best way to enforce my rule is to not buy AIV FA LTD lenses at all, because I don't have the means to distinguish the early runs from subsequent runs.
YMMV
I think what actually caused the surge of complaints is the popularity of DSLRs which allow consumers to discover misalignment and BF/FF easily, something not quite obvious with film cameras. I have purchased a # of FA lenses since 1999 and have come across many defective samples, all expensive MIJ FA primes. Brand new, not returns, not used. Even my non-photographic friend noticed Pentax QC sucked when shopping the FA31 for me from overseas. DA*16-50/2.8 still suck today with SDM & optical misalignment issues not addressed. No excuse really except HOYA didn't bother for obvious reason. Hopefully Ricoh will take QC seriously.
Originally posted by reeftool Good products can be made anywhere as can bad ones.
I believe so too.