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10-12-2011, 07:26 PM   #1
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If You Can't Afford...

an all Limited prime collection, what third-party manufacturer would comparable?

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Buy a bunch of manual focus takumars or samyang/rokinons.
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Sigma has some excellent prime lenses- they're not necessarily cheaper, though.

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Old manual focus primes are your best bet, yeah. They won't be quite as small or light as the Limiteds, but they will certainly be cheaper and smaller than most modern lenses, with high image quality. Plus, Pentax has been pretty consistent in using 49mm filter threads since before they were even known as Pentax on most of their lenses, so if you purchase filters now, you'll future proof yourself for if you ever start buying the Limiteds.

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You mean something along the lines of a Sigma 30mm f/1.4, 50mm f/1.4 and 85mm f/1.4?

DA 35mm f/2.4, FA 50mm f/1.7, D-FA 100mm Macro?

I get somewhere around $2400 plus tax and shipping as a rough estimate for the 31, 43 and 77 Limited lenses from B&H. How much cheaper than that are you looking to go?
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I hear very good things about the Samyang 14mm 2.8 (which I intend to buy, $379--admittedly, not much cheaper than the DA 15mm, and MF, but sharper than the ltd). Samyang also produces a very decent manual 85mm f1.4 ($270). Unfortunately, Samyang lenses are quite heavy.

The Sigma Super-Wide AF 24mm f2.8 is fantastic ($225-300--I had the manual version, which wasn't as sharp).

The SMC or Super-Tak 35mm 3.5 is very sharp (about $60-80), as is the Pentax DA L 35mm 2.4 ($200).

Most fifties are excellent; I particularly like the F 50mm 1.7 ($200-230)--I regret having sold mine.

You might have a very nice set of 14-24-35-50-85 for about $1000.

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I have an (M)85 1.8 I don't want to give up, but would if the 77 1.8 were much better. I know I want the 31 & 43 and I would go for the Sigma 85 1.4 if it were better than the Pentax 85 1.8. I like the look of the Sigma 30 1.4 I would like something to replace my Tamron 17 3.5(built-in filters).
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There's a current thread about BEST PENTAX LENSES FOR VALUE and the answer is: Takumars. I will personally vouch for SuperTaks 35/3.5, 50/1.4, 55/1.8, 105/2.8, 135/2.5 and f/3.5, and TeleTak 200/5.6. These are just some of the finest lenses ever made. My MacroTak 50/4 ain't bad either.

Almost as good (usually) and even cheaper (usually) are some of the Russians. My lot: Zenitar 16/2.8, Mir-1 37/2.8, Industar-50/3.5, Helios-44 58/2, Jupiter-9 85/2, Jupiter-11 135/4, Jupiter-21 200/4. Other Helios, Mir, Zenitar, Jupiter, and Tair models at 20-50-85-135mm are highly regarded.

These are all manual focus and mostly manual aperture. Others will advise you on AF|AA primes; I can't afford them. Ratz.

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I'd spend more time learning my gear and trying to be a better photographer.....
(not a bad thing)

Many of the old Takumars, K, M lenses are already very good optically and mechanically. The Limiteds are just a bit more special as a balance between size/rendering/optical properties/build quality

Some suggestions below.
These are just like focal lengths with good performance and at many times stand out on their own. I'd never call them similar to ltds.

OTOH and from what I have:
Wider - K24/2.8;
31ltd - DA35/2.4; FA35/2 (just don't look at the OOF parts too much )
43ltd - any Pentax 50mm f2/1.7/1.4 (Not as sharp wide open but faster aperture for the f1.4 version)
77ltd - M85/2 (CA issues aside, its the 'poor mans' 77')



Modern ones (3rd party) - all of these are big in size compared to ltds.
They are not really cheap, just cheaper.

31ltd - Sigma 30/1.4 (not the same; not as sharp throughout the frame; but has its own character and faster)
43ltd - Sigma 50/1.4 (the sharpest wide open 50mm prime by most accounts; a hulking lens too; look out for focus issues)
77ltd - Closest ones probably a macro like Sigma 70/2.8, 105/2.8, Tamron 90/2.8; Pay more and there is the Sigma 85/1.4
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According to your list, it seems I could go for the 31/43 Ltd's and the Sig 85 1.4 and be happy.
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My cheapest is takumar 50/2 for 2 $.
I got several tak for free, but they wont count: 135/3.5 w hood and case, 50/1.8 w case w lose distance scale
Vivitar 135/2.8, 200/3.5, 28/2.8
Next level is mamiya 50/1.4, nikkor 50/1.4, Olympus 55/1.2, olympus 35shift
They all in my price range. Nikkor and OM must dremel'd the mount a bit, thanks to RioRico. The Mamiya is one of my best.
85? Go for nikkor 85/2, cheapest i can have.
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QuoteOriginally posted by tabl10s Quote
According to your list, it seems I could go for the 31/43 Ltd's and the Sig 85 1.4 and be happy.
If you are referring to my list, I don't think there is any wrong with any choice.
Just budget and preferences.
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QuoteOriginally posted by tabl10s Quote
According to your list, it seems I could go for the 31/43 Ltd's and the Sig 85 1.4 and be happy.
It seems like you have a much bigger budget than we assumed from your initial post. It sounds like you can afford the 31/43/77 combo and throw in a Da15 at a later date.
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The excellent ones I have:

K24/2.8 approx $130
K28/3.5 one Mint sold last week for $80 on eBay, normally approx $120
A50/1.7 approx $80
K135/2.5 approx $230

I'd also consider:

M85/2 approx $230
M20/2.8 although I think the price is artificially grossly inflacted at approx $300
K35/3.5
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I have assembled a nice set of Ex to Mint SMC-A primes:

24 f/2.8, 28 f/2.8, 35 f 2.8, 50 f/1.4, 135 F/2.8

5 great lenses for a total cost of $650.

I also have a Sigma 90 f/2.8 macro in a KA mount that cost only $89 and just picked up a SMC-M 50 f/4.0 macro for $99.00. They all work great on my K20 body (and my MX as well).

When I want auto everything I use my DA 16-45 and 50-200.

9 lenses: Total cost under 1K
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