Hi all,
So as you may have noticed (or not noticed) I've been bitten quite badly by the LBA bug. This has resulted in me trying to think laterally about where I might acquire lenses. It has led me down the normal routes of ebay, online classifieds etc. But it has also made me notice places like Auction houses.
I have found Rico's
buyer's guide in pawnshops truly invaluable. What I must admire most though is his chutzpah to have a lens qualify on all accounts and then offer $10 for it. Something I'm learning I don't have.
If anything, the more I do this (look for cheap lenses within my budget) the more I'm faced with the same question. Is there a 'best way' to approach buying a lens/offering a price that satisfies my budget while not offending the seller? Is honesty always the best answer? Or does assumptions and vagueness serve us better?
Let me be clear, I'm talking about buying from dealers or the general Joe Blogg off the street. Not from the marketplace here.
The first time I encountered this problem was when I went into see if a stamps and collectibles place sold any cameras. The guy looked me up and down dubiously and said he had some really old stuff but it's probably not what I wanted. I negated that statement quick fast and said 'my friend, that's
exactly what I want.' We got to talking and I explained why I was interested and how Pentax could use all lenses no matter how old. He seemed very surprised dare I say it, even speculative? Now perhaps I'm just a cynical cheapskate, but I swear his eyes lit up and looked upon that box of cameras with renewed interest when I first stated why I was looking for old Pentax cameras.
It made me wonder if perhaps I was really doing myself a disservice by explaining that all pentax lenses can be used on a new Pentax slr, and if next time a Pentax lens comes in he might quote me higher than if he thought I was just a collector.
I know when someone says to me they are a collector, and what they collect is something I'm not really interested in, I tend to for better or worse think 'how silly, but hey whatever makes him/her happy'.
Now, would I have gotten the same response if I had simply said I like old cameras, or if I said I was looking for parts? Would he have perhaps simply thought, 'silly girl, don't know why she wants that rubbish but she can have it for nothing' rather than that speculative look he gave me as if to say 'hrmmm, there's a buck to be made here that I'm missing out on..'
It makes me wonder what other people say when they go into stores enquiring about lenses. Do you say upfront why you want them? Do you say you're looking for spare parts or that you still use a film camera? (although in some cases I'm sure that's very true for a lot/some of you) Or do you make vague statements like "I just like old things!"
As I continue searching for cheap lenses I find myself often faced with this question. How do I best negotiate in order to get a price that I'm happy with? Lately when I enquire on a lens listing and they will give me a crazy sky high price. I often explain I just want the lenses and not the camera body. That I'm just starting out in photography and have a tight budget.
In fact I pulled that line out just this evening when I came across a girl who was giving me her photography equipment for free (darkroom supplies) and she happened to have a SMC 1:1.4 50mm. In my excitement that she actually had a proper lens I must admit I didn't look at that lens properly or follow Rico's Guide to Buying very well. I asked her how much she wanted for it, and she told me to give her a price as I would probably know more about what it was worth than she. Having just received all this darkroom equipment for free I didn't want to look karma in the face so ignored my gut feeling to offer a cheeky $10. Instead I offered her $20, which she accepted although I got the impression that she was surprised. As we got to talking a little further after I'd given her the cash and I explained why I wanted the lens (honest truth about the kmounts etc) I again got that vibe that perhaps she wasn't all too happy and worried that she'd been taken advantage of. Was I right to offer $20? Should I just harden up already and offer whatever I wanted as she had the right to refuse? Or are you going to tell me, hey that's life?
Rest assured though I didn't *really* underpay, because when I got home, I discovered there was in fact some very fine fungus on the edges of the back lens and quite a bit of dust (or something) in the front lens. Do'h! Why I didn't think to check this baffles me. I think I was so excited at seeing a lens that I recognised that all I saw was the mint paint job and forgot to actually look at the lens itself. A rookie mistake, I'm sure.
If I had thought to check for the fungus perhaps I could've followed my gut instinct to offer $10 and feel totally justified about it. But I just didn't have that killer instinct to do that. Especially considering all the freebie stuff I got.
Anyway, I'm starting to wander. Essentially what I'm asking you is, do you have a particular buyers technique that you like to employ when buying/enquiring about lenses from the general public or an ignorant sales clerk? Do you spend any time educating them? Or are you really a pro and just harden your heart to sniff out the best deal?