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12-07-2011, 11:07 PM   #31
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We are going to New York and Boston this Winter
A 17-50/2.8 or equivalent should work great. You can add the DA15 if you want something a bit wider with little distortion. I am not sure why you would want a longer focal length for a city trip. Taking more lenses would only make you think more about which one to use instead of looking for compositions. And changing them outdoors would only give you a collection of dust spots to clean up afterwards.

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My choice would be Tamron 28-75/2.8.
Fast and sharp. Cheap too.
It has a good span of generally used focal lengths on it (for me at least, and I believe you mentioned you use around 35mm quite a bit too).
I find it wide enough for many family travel shots with people in front of places/landmarks, without significant pincushion/barrel distortions or perspective distortions.
It then does more isolation type portraits too at 50-75mm.
A bit of close up ability is the icing on the cake.
Coupled with your 10-20; its covers most needs without any sacrifice in performance.
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you definitely need a wider lens as least to 18mm to take family shoot.
17-70 is a great choice.
If it is out of budget, take the 18-55 with you.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Besta Quote
Thank you for all helpful comments. Just got used-excellent Tamron 18-250 version for $348 from ebay.
Just noticed after I posted: Besta already made his choice.

12-08-2011, 02:23 AM   #35
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Ya,

Pentax SMC DA 18-135mm F/3.5-5.6 ED AL (IF) DC WR Lens 21977 B&H

or

Sigma 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 DC Lens for Pentax Digital SLR 777109

would be best for this situation.
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I used to own the Pentax 17-70. I thought it was a great zoom lens. I opted for it over the Sigma 17-70 primarily due to the stellar Photozone review.

However, I would also consider just taking your primes. I sold the 17-70 and now only use primes. I know you said you were conscious of your fellow travelers' patience while changing lenses. However, I just did a trip to Italy with seven people (wife, brother, parents, and in-laws) and had no problems. Of course it depends on how you shoot, but I could just leave the 15mm or 40mm on most of the time. It only takes a little foresight. For instance, I would change lenses while waiting in lines or while walking in uncrowded areas.
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I already ended up with Tamron 18-250 and quite satisfied with it. The only problem is the AF sound/noise but anyway the picture quality is quite acceptable. I could sell FA100-300 and 35-70 with reasonable prices. Now I quite have a nice set up (*** just purchased Tamron 90mm macro yesterday as well).

With my 21,35,40,70mm limited, 12-24mm. 90mm and 18-250mm, Hopefully, I can stop my LBA (and no more deal searching for at least a year ^.^).

Anyway, I have to face the new problem, what lens to use and carry? My solution right now is to bring all, carry only 18-250mm with two prime lens max during the day, and leave the rest at the hotel. I cannot imagine leaving even one at home.
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@K206 - My favorite limited sets are 21, 35 and 70mm. I actually regret a little bit as I know that I will not always use 18-250mm. It's nice to have one as a back-up but still not so sure if it's worth the price. My LBA kicked in lately and I just bought tamron 90mm as well. After this winter trip, I might end up selling the 18-250mm -_-"

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QuoteOriginally posted by Besta Quote
I already ended up with Tamron 18-250 and quite satisfied with it. The only problem is the AF sound/noise but anyway the picture quality is quite acceptable. I could sell FA100-300 and 35-70 with reasonable prices. Now I quite have a nice set up (*** just purchased Tamron 90mm macro yesterday as well).

With my 21,35,40,70mm limited, 12-24mm. 90mm and 18-250mm, Hopefully, I can stop my LBA (and no more deal searching for at least a year ^.^).

Anyway, I have to face the new problem, what lens to use and carry? My solution right now is to bring all, carry only 18-250mm with two prime lens max during the day, and leave the rest at the hotel. I cannot imagine leaving even one at home.
Nice kit now! I was was going to suggest to not be hasty about offing the 35-70 (worth maybe US$50) and 100-300 (about US$100-125) because they're both quite good optically. But your 35+40+70 rather reduce opportunities for the 35-70. Still, the 100-300 is better optically than the 18-250 within its range. The DA18-250 is my basic lens for travel. When wandering around known territory, I do use a kit of the 100-300, 35-70, and Tamron 10-24. Each is just *so* good.

As for LBA... looks like you haven't yet discovered MF lenses, especially 2-ring presets, and their special characters. I've identified 5 stages of lens acquisition and you're into the first three:

1) Coverage -- a wide range of focal lengths
2) Speed -- faster lenses at critical FLs
3) Specialties -- macro, fisheye, etc
4) Character -- old slow lenses are nifty
5) Mania -- whatever can be put on the camera

Maybe you'll never get down to the last two. Pity.
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Best Carry Around Lens for Snapshots

After returning from a couple of delightful weeks with my grandchildren, I was going to raise this issue. I too have relied on primes and they shoot wonderful photos. However, I don't have time to change lenses when I am with my grandchildren since they are always moving and it seems that I rarely have the right lens for that shot. I usually took one of my primes with me in the afternoon so I am shooting with my DA* 55 and try to get in as many photos for that lens as I can. The next day I would bring my DA 15 and try to get group shots. But I still missed half the snapshots I had wanted to get.

After a couple of afternoons, it dawned on me that I needed to use a good middle-length zoom. I did my research and found on this forum wonderful reviews of the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 and the Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8. When I found out how large the Sigma lens is, I had decided on the Tamron. Then I remembered that I had gotten a Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 II as the kit lens for my K20D. The kit lens has a rating of 7.9 on this forum;the Tamron has an 8.8 rating.

The primary use of my carry around lens will be taking snapshots of kids. Do I really need a new lens? Is there that much difference between the Pentax kit lens and the Tamron 28-75 justify buying the latter?

Lastly, I ask, what lens do you use to take snapshots of your young children and grandchildren?

Thanks,

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@Besta - I have no regrets about selling the 17-70. I have the 15, 21, 35, 40, and 70. I usually don't take all with me. Depending on my needs I get by just fine with just 3 (15/40/70, 15/35/70, 21/40/70) or even 2 (15/40, 21/40, 21/70), or sometimes one (21, 35, 40).

@bonaprof - It depends on what primes you have. I don't think you need a zoom, as I get along fine with just my primes. I shoot pictures of my son primarily with the DA40. Very fast focus, excellent IMO for almost any people shots besides group photos. I bought the DA21 primarily for an all purpose lens in place of a zoom. Wide enough for group shots, close focusing ability, and perhaps long enough for general snapshots. I haven't used this lens much in this capacity yet - so I can't give it a "full" endorsement for this use yet...
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+1 for this
(you definitely need a wider lens as least to 18mm to take family shoot.
17-70 is a great choice.
If it is out of budget, take the 18-55 with you).


I had a couple of recent trips out with a Tamron 28-80 after my kit lens broke (family party + day in
london). I really found 28mm was not wide enough on several occasions. Now just got the Sigma 17-70 and for me this is a great walk around lens. If Iím ever going out with a group who I know won't have the patience to wait when I keep swapping lenses, this is what I'll take. Having said that, if my 18-55 had not gone pop it was fine and I'd still be using it.

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For city shooting, I'd want to take an ultra wide for architecture stuff or where there will be crowds and you need to get close so someone doesn't ruin your shot (your 12-24), a fast lens for indoors or dark areas (something faster than 2.0), and of course your all purpose lens (18-250). This would be pretty compact... pretty much a camera case and a lens holder (if you can find a little pouch for your fast prime, both it and your 12-24 should fit in a lens compartment as long as you leave off the 12-24 hood). Personally, I'd also bring a WR lens in case you're going to do some outdoor stuff, but then I tend to overpack and carry more than I need. OKOKOK, I'd also bring a macro. And a tripod. And a flash. And advil for my back
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QuoteOriginally posted by Besta Quote
I could sell FA100-300...
If you have the silver version, I would keep it. I would be surprised if the Tamron can match it in the 100-250 range.
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The primary use of my carry around lens will be taking snapshots of kids. Do I really need a new lens? Is there that much difference between the Pentax kit lens and the Tamron 28-75 justify buying the latter?

Lastly, I ask, what lens do you use to take snapshots of your young children and grandchildren?

Thanks,

Ed
I don't know about the kit lens I never bought one. I did buy a Tamron 28-75 and a K10 body in 2007. K10 has been sold, along with 1 of 2 K20's. Still use the Tamron almost daily on K5's. Worked well with film on an MZ-S too. The K20 is okay ( with a little Noise Post Processing software ) up to about ISO 1600. If you zoom your kit lens for close-ups of kids, you are giving up 2 stops at 5.6. In open shade with moving kids, that's a lot. Plus the extra focal length to 75mm is very useful. You can pick up a used Tamron from KEH with a 6 month warranty for about $350. This isn't my kid but this is what Grandma wants. This happened to be at 63mm and 2.8 so shallow DOF, isolated from background and let me shoot at ISO 800.
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