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12-07-2011, 04:43 AM   #1
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Sub 17mm M42 options

I've spent a lot of time looking for a low cost option to fill the bottom of my M42 kit. Aside from the Pentax 15 mm and 17 mm what else is there. So far, I see the sigma and zenitar 16mm fisheye and the tamron and Vivitar 17mm offerings. Have I missed anything?

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My findings are about the same as yours.

It seems to me that when the Takumar 15mm was released, it was something of a revolution of possibility. Angles that wide on a non-fisheye were simply too hard to design on a 35mm SLR camera.

If you don't mind cheating, you could always get an adaptall ;-)
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nikon has a 14mm, but in F mount, if you can find one. F mount can be modified/converted to K mount
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I had 12mm f/8 Sigma fish-eye in T2 mount (with M42 adapter), which I sold when I got my DA10-17. It has also been sold under the Spiratone brand, I believe. I don't know if I'd recommend it, though, as it wasn't very sharp even at f/11 and had epic CA toward the edges. Quite good fun, though and the 12mm focal length gives a reasonable degree of 'fisyness' on APS-C.

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thanks for all the replies.

One thing i had not considered, but perhaps I should, is that I have a potential doner lens, which could proivide me with an M42 mount, expanding my options to other camera makers as well.

The reason I specifically want an M42 mount is simple, I have an M42 kit ranging from 24-200mm, and when I use the M42 kit, I usually shoot with both my *istD and K10D having M42-K adaptors installed. I would rather stay with screw mount than carry a mix of two mounts. I already have the samyang 14 in my k mount kit.
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QuoteOriginally posted by sorted78 Quote
I had 12mm f/8 Sigma fish-eye in T2 mount (with M42 adapter), which I sold when I got my DA10-17. It has also been sold under the Spiratone brand, I believe. I don't know if I'd recommend it, though, as it wasn't very sharp even at f/11 and had epic CA toward the edges. Quite good fun, though and the 12mm focal length gives a reasonable degree of 'fisyness' on APS-C.
My copy is labeled Vemar. It also wore many other badges. There are two versions distinguished by the metal lens cap. The older version has a single-piece cap; the new, two pieces, a flat ring and a circular cap, which provides a circular image on FF frames. No, I wouldn't recommend it either. But there it is!

I've read of (but never used nor actually ever seen) a Peleng 8mm in M42. Good luck.
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I have admitted defeat.

This comes partially because even a minolta mount tokina 17mm is going on eBay for more than $150, and seeing a damaged tamron adaptall 17mm for $375 in a toronto store this weekend.

If I am going to spend, $150 plus, then it may as well be new, so look out soviet lens club here I come. Zenitar 16 mm fisheye is on the way.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Lowell Goudge Quote
Zenitar 16 mm fisheye is on the way.
Be careful you don't end up with a PK-M mount! Avoid the Zenitar-K2! The Zeniter-M is M42. Or you can get an M42 Peleng-8A 8/3.5 for just over US$300. There's a Takumar 17/4 up on eBay at the moment... for a bit over US$400. There's also an M42 Sigma 18/3.2 currently around US$50 with two days left. You might catch that one for a C-note.

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I have a Peleng 17mm f/2.8 fisheye, which is M42 (actually T2, I think, underneath the M42 mount). It's not often found in the wild -- the Zenitar 16 and the Peleng 8 seem to be considerably more common.

I like it for the price I paid, sub $100. It's pretty sharp and it de-fishes well. But I sure wouldn't pay the $300+ the Russian exporters seem to be asking for "new" ones.

It looks like this: Fish Eye MC Peleng 17/2.8

It's a hilariously large and heavy hunk of metal and glass, and nothing on it turns smoothly.
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Be careful you don't end up with a PK-M mount! Avoid the Zenitar-K2! The Zeniter-M is M42. Or you can get an M42 Peleng-8A 8/3.5 for just over US$300. There's a Takumar 17/4 up on eBay at the moment... for a bit over US$400. There's also an M42 Sigma 18/3.2 currently around US$50 with two days left. You might catch that one for a C-note.
thanks for the warning, but, No on the site I ordered from the K mount is separate, and more expensive. Definitely ordered the M42.

My UWA solution for the K mount kit was the Samyang 14mmF2.8.

Again, since the M42 kit is to be different, I figured why not.

Knowing my luck, it seems every time I give up and buy something, a new option comes along at a price too good to afford.

I bought the samyang 85/1.4 and then tripped over a super tak 85/1.9 for $200. I did what anyone with LBA would do, even though mine is quite controlled, bought the super tak also. In fact that is what got me started on the M42 Kit. I had an SMC Tak 35/2 as my only M42 lens, because I had no Kmount 35 and wanted faster than my 28-75/2.8.

After getting the 85, I quickly found a helios 58/2 and vivitar 28/2.5 for a combinbed $20, and with 4 lenses from 28-85 the beginnings of a kit was born.
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One of my early lens-tracking sub-spreadsheets was an attempt to list optimal bayonet and screwmount kits. I'm pretty much cured of that now. But if I *was* to build a screwmount list (I'll throw in M39s and T2s in too) it would have entries at 12, 21, 24, 28 (4x), 35 (3x), 37, 50 (10x), 55 (10x), 58, 85, 90, 100, 105, 135 (8x), 180, 200 (5x), 240, 300, 400, 500, and 1000mm. And zooms at 50-125, 55-135, 70-210, and 80-200. Yes, I can dress-up my M42 cams quite nicely. I must say, the ZOMZ Mir-1 37/2.8 absolutely lives on the Praktica FX3 with its waist-level VF.
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One of my early lens-tracking sub-spreadsheets was an attempt to list optimal bayonet and screwmount kits. I'm pretty much cured of that now. But if I *was* to build a screwmount list (I'll throw in M39s and T2s in too) it would have entries at 12, 21, 24, 28 (4x), 35 (3x), 37, 50 (10x), 55 (10x), 58, 85, 90, 100, 105, 135 (8x), 180, 200 (5x), 240, 300, 400, 500, and 1000mm. And zooms at 50-125, 55-135, 70-210, and 80-200. Yes, I can dress-up my M42 cams quite nicely. I must say, the ZOMZ Mir-1 37/2.8 absolutely lives on the Praktica FX3 with its waist-level VF.
I would not go quite as far as you have, in terms of range. I limit the M42 kit to 200mm because beyond that I do not see a need to shoot with anything outside my more modern kit, which includes a K300/4 (usually attached to my SMC-F 1.7x AF TC) , my Tamron 200-500F5.6, and my sigma APO 70-200F2.8 EX (non DG non macro) with a 1.4x or 2x Sigma TC. With these ultra long options, all of which are high quality, I just don't have the desire for a longer than 200 M42 lens. Although having said that, if I trip over one for an excellent price I moght consider it

With the zenitar my M42 kit will be as complete as I need it.

16 FE, 24/2.5, 28/2.5, 35/2, 50/1.4, 50/4macro, 55/1.8. 58/2, 85/1.9, 105/2.8, 135/2.8, 200/3.5. I also have a second 135/3.5 and a second 200/4 that I picked up because they were dirt cheap, but they are not regulars in my kit, For short trips, my plan will be to go with 3 lenses, typically 16, 35, 85 and maybe a 2x multicoated tamron TC as well. I was finding the 24 not wide enough although the tamron 24 is a pretty good lens (someone reciently posted better sharpness than the 16-45F4 at all apertures )

the 105, 135 and 200 in my kit are presets, which I actually prefer.
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Reasons I don't actually have a screwmount 'kit' put together:

1) My M42 cams unfortunately don't get enough use, and when they do, it's with specific lenses.
2) Most of my M42s live with adapters wrenched tightly to them and mingle with the PK natives.
3) The voices in my head tell me not to bother. I always listen to my voices. It's only prudent.

Your screwy kit looks good -- but you lack the Sigma-Vemar-etc 12/8! That's a must!
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While working today, I heard a funny tap tap tap, and it seems that the raindeer arrived from Moscow, with their sleigh a few days early

THe only thing I had to do, was to block the aperture pin in manual mode, no big deal, 1/8 inch of clear tubing from a ball point pen refil, and it is all back together.

so far, all I have done is to look at how fishey it is. which seems to be more than my Samyang 14mm rectalinear (thatdoes suffer from barrel distortion) but less than my 8mm samyang, understandably,

This looks like a fun bottom end to my M42 kit, and the end of searching for M42 lenses (although if I trip over one, I am sure I could add to the kit.

I am just not sure how I will find much better / faster than what I have.

16mm F2.8 Zenitar
24mm F2.5 tamron
28mm F2.5 vivitar by Kiron
35mm F2 S-M-C Tak
50mm F1.4 Super tak (8 element)
50mm F4 S-M-C Macro tak
55mm F1.8 S-M-C Tak
85mm F1.9 Super tak
105mm F2.8 Vernon Edonar Preset
135mm F2.8 Tele lentar Preset
200mm F3.5 Takumar Preset

Also consider the following, slower other M42 lenses.
135mm F3.5 S-M-C tak
200mm F4 S-M-C Tak

I can take as much or as little as I want, with the span above.and for a light travel kit, as noted earlier, I can take a 3 lens 16-24-50 or 16-35-85 kit and be pretty compact. The longer tele presets are great portrait lenses, or for when you are a little further back.


58mm F2 Helios M44-2
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That's a nice lineup Lowell
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