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12-15-2011, 11:24 PM   #1
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All prime setup?

LBA strikes again! Saw an irresistible price on the DA35/2.4 from Amazon UK, so picked one up.
So now I have the DA16-45, FA28, DA35/2.4 (on the way), FA50/1.4, SMC Tak 105/2.8(M42) (or SMC M100/4 macro), Sears 135/2.8 in K-mount.

Can you recommend one more (inexpensive!) prime to complete this setup? Manual/M42 is fine as well. For example, I got the FA50/1.4 for 8000 rupees, which is about 155$. That would be my upper limit for this lens.

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You have to ditch the 16-45 zoom to have a "all prime setup"
Ditch that and get a DA15 or DA21 and you will have a good kit.

EDIT- Sorry didnt see your budget
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QuoteOriginally posted by TOUGEFC Quote
You have to ditch the 16-45 zoom to have a "all prime setup"
Ditch that and get a DA15 or DA21 and you will have a good kit.

EDIT- Sorry didnt see your budget
Yeah, I know
It's the one compromise I've made, but the DA16-45 is a darn good lens.
D'you think there is a hole around the 70-85mm mark?
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So many possibilities! Unfortunately, primes around 70-85mm tend to be expensive. I was lucky to get a couple of 85/2s cheap; otherwise I'll use 75mm and 90mm enlarger lenses (ELs) on tubes for portraits, and longer ELs on short bellows for general tele shooting. In other focal ranges, I am very happy with:

* Zenitar 16/2.8 FE in PK-M
* Vivitar-Kiron 24/2 in PK-M
* Helios-44 58/2 in PK or M42
* Vivitar-Komine 200/3.5 in T2

But ask yourself, "What do I want to do that I can't do with what I have now?" The answer may lead you to interesting glass. Is a lens kit ever complete? I don't know, I'm not there yet. But I have identified 5 stages of lens accumulation:

1) Coverage -- My Tamron 10-24, DA18-250, and Sigma 170-500 cover a wide range.
2) Speed -- My FA50/1.4 and f/2 lenses at 24-28-35-58-85mm grab plenty of light.
3) Specialties -- My DA10-17 fisheye, 40-50-90mm macros, and 500mm mirror, all satisfy.
4) Character -- I like old presets and other lenses that render differently than modern glass.
5) Mania -- Whatever is cheap, that I can stick on the camera (often with bellows), tantalizes!

There's always another lens, eh? Have fun!


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QuoteOriginally posted by bhairavp Quote
Yeah, I know
It's the one compromise I've made, but the DA16-45 is a darn good lens.
D'you think there is a hole around the 70-85mm mark?
Do you use this focal length frequently? If no, then there is no hole
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replacing wide angles with primes is expensive, as most older lenses are 28mm for "Wide Angle" which does not quite cut it on a APS-C sensor. DA15 would be the best bet for a wide prime, but its expensive.
12-16-2011, 08:11 AM   #7
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QuoteOriginally posted by bhairavp Quote
LBA strikes again! Saw an irresistible price on the DA35/2.4 from Amazon UK, so picked one up.
So now I have the DA16-45, FA28, DA35/2.4 (on the way), FA50/1.4, SMC Tak 105/2.8(M42) (or SMC M100/4 macro), Sears 135/2.8 in K-mount.

Can you recommend one more (inexpensive!) prime to complete this setup? Manual/M42 is fine as well. For example, I got the FA50/1.4 for 8000 rupees, which is about 155$. That would be my upper limit for this lens.

Thanks!
welcome to the ever expanding vortex of primes, and LBA. I am quite sure you will not stop at one more lens!

Having said that, just from a review of focal lengths, you have (or will have) at present:

28, 35, 50, 105, 135.

I can see several holes in this, and think something in the mid teens 14-17mm would be very useful.

I can also see something in the 85mm range, and also a 200mm.

The problem will be, that although there are many good options, you need to decide soon, what mount. I started this way, adding lenses of any mount, and soon evolved into a k mount kit and an M42 kit, because I wanted to not deal with swapping mounts in and out when travelling light.

Assuming you are looking wide first, and low cost is in the mix, the options I see are, in new lenses, the samyang 14mm (KA mount), and the Zenitar 16mm fisheye M42 or K, as well as pentax's DA14 and DA15.

On the used market, From pentax, there are the 17mm FE from pentax in M42 or K, a later 16mm FE (I think KA mount) and 15mm from M42 through KA although these are not cheap.

Used from others are Toknina Tamron and I think Vivitar a 17mm, sigma 16mmFE, some 19 and 20mm lenses from various makers, none of which are cheap (i.e. going from typically $150-$350

I have also considered picking up a minolta or other brand 17mm lens and putting an M42 mount onto it, but these still command too much for something I am going to hack..

what did I do? I picked up the samyang (AKA vivitar) 14mmF2.8. Great lens, actually about 13.5mm but has some barrel distortion. that works for my K mount kit.

For M42's I am waiting on a new zenitar 16mm FE. for $178 cdn (plus $40 shipping) it is the cheapest way to go with a new lens.

This will give me 15 lenses between 16 and 200mm for my M42 kit with only 1 repeated focal length,

to travel light, I will either take 16, 24/28, 50 or 16, 35, 85
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If you expand your budget up to $200-$250 then you can get a M20 or M85. Because other than that you'll be buying a lens similar to what you already have imo. Not that it's a bad thing...

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QuoteOriginally posted by bhairavp Quote
Yeah, I know
It's the one compromise I've made, but the DA16-45 is a darn good lens.
D'you think there is a hole around the 70-85mm mark?
I had the 85/1.9 Super Takumar, a couple of 90mm macros, a Vivitar/Tokina 100/2.8 non-macro and the S-M-C Takumar 105/2.8, all acquired at less than market value. When it came down to using instead of owning, I chose either the 85mm f1.9 or 90mm, which have completely different looks. I sold the 105/2.8 because it's too nice to go unused and the Vivitar was cheap enough to fill that role. I settled on one 90mm macro. I think that works out well for me in this range. With your current budget, a lot of lenses in this gap are too costly, but selling the 100/4 or 105/2.8 can give you room to work. Maybe a Tamron Adaptall-2 90/2.5 or a Samyang-made 85/1.4?

A 55mm lens can also make the gap smaller. One of the Takumar 55/1.8s would be a good lens, cheap to get, and a different look from the FA 50.

The DA 16-45 is really hard to beat for wide angle coverage at reasonable cost. I say just pretend it's a prime lens, unless you want to spend a fair amount on a couple of replacements. Since it's a modern lens and reports everything to EXIF, analyze your images to see where to spend the money later.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Just1MoreDave Quote
.....The DA 16-45 is really hard to beat for wide angle coverage at reasonable cost. I say just pretend it's a prime lens, unless you want to spend a fair amount on a couple of replacements. Since it's a modern lens and reports everything to EXIF, analyze your images to see where to spend the money later.
your last point is a good one, look at the focal lengths you shoot at.

as for the 16-45, you have an all prime kit if you don't carry it. there is nothing to suggest you only have 1 lens kit is there.

I have 3, a zoom kit, an M42 kit and a K Mount MF kit.

each produces photos that have different results/qualities. on any given day I pick what I feel like shooting. When I travel on business I take a selection of my M42 kit and my K10 if I am going any where interesting, or some times 2 AF zooms.

Like I say I take what I feel like shooting at any given time
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Zoomz are two primes for me.

Before worrying about gaps in the focal range perhaps it might be a good idea to do a survey of the way you use zoom lenses. I did a few graphs in Excel from numbers I got from Lightroom and found that I use both extremes of my zoom range 1/3 each of the time and the remaining 1/3 are the in-between FL's and it didn't matter what zoom I was using either. I came to the conclusion that I may as well just use two primes most of the time or force myself to think more when I shoot so that the zooms get a better workout instead of being 2 defacto primes in one lens.

BTW, you CAN have TOO MUCH PRIME ON YOUR HANDS.

That last so-called joke would have been more positive if I had stated that you can NEVER have too much prime on your hands... I should also never try to be funny...
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BTW, you CAN have TOO MUCH PRIME ON YOUR HANDS.

That last so-called joke would have been more positive if I had stated that you can NEVER have too much prime on your hands... I should also never try to be funny...
You can have as many primes as you want, but the trick is too only take a few out when you go shooting
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QuoteOriginally posted by TOUGEFC Quote
You can have as many primes as you want, but the trick is too only take a few out when you go shooting
Of course you can.. I was merely trying to be funny.. Too much PRIME versus Too much TIME...... oh forget it..
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So RioRico, a question for you (maybe asked before),with so many lenses in your collection how do your order them and when you go out shooting do you go out always with a specific goal or do you ever just go out to see what comes up? So are your lenses stored by group as you've outlined or by type/brand Eg manual /auto DA/Fa etc and when you go shooting do you take one of your five groups and shoot around their strengths? Or do you have a particular scouts kit ( allways prepared) that you have for those 'just in case' moments that might crop up.
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