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01-09-2012, 09:14 PM   #46
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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
No, the issue we've been discussing in this part of the thread
is that when you're in live view, and go to take a photo,
the mirror drops down first, obstructing the mirror box.
Note that this behavior only shows up in the entry level models. With the K-x, I hear the mirror dropping and lifting again. With the K-7, I only hear the shutter. creampuff has both a K-5 and K-r, so he should be able to see this difference too.

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Thanks for your replies. I realise that most of this is in the manual however I always like to hear from people who have actually messed around with the camera first.
My first attempt was not very promising. Although the file is an avi it wouldn't play with any old media player and had to played through Silkypix, which I have never used.
(yeah I know read the manual!)
Also the playback sound was virtually non existant except for a loud repeated click. I probably havn't got it set up properly. Never had a use for video on a DSLR so have never used it.
However I want to make some short vids for my website so thought I would give it a go.
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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
Well, that would confirm the mirror movement
(at some risk of letting dust get to the sensor),
but would not seem to clarify
the exact purpose of that movement.



I certainly agree with that.
It would be great to have a DSLR
where you could lock the mirror up
and turn it into an EVIL mirrorless camera.

This could be a distinguishing feature for Pentax.


Recently, I've tried a Hoodman hoodloupe copy on my K5 LCD so as to use MF lenses better.
Its certainly been better for the focus accuracy, but the lag between shutter button press and actual photo taking is just horrendous.

Thats one of the reasons why I'm eagerly awaiting a Pentax MILC.
1. AF error due to AF module and sensor calibration shifts - SOLVED
2. Larger viewfinder - SOLVED (ok... not fully so since its EVF)
3. Ease of MF - SOLVED
4. Lag between shutter button press and picture taking - SOLVED
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QuoteOriginally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor Quote
Note that this behavior only shows up in the entry level models. With the K-x, I hear the mirror dropping and lifting again. With the K-7, I only hear the shutter. creampuff has both a K-5 and K-r, so he should be able to see this difference too.
Interesting, since I thought the K-5 dropped the mirror. I based this on the sound however. Now I've had a look at it without a lens, and indeed, the mirror stays up. There's just so much noise. My conclusion is the mirror makes less noise than I thought, and the shutter more. And the same thing with vibration. It would be nice to have a mode where the shutter just stayed open, even if it did introduce noise in the image (as I assume it would).

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This thread has side tracked to too much about LV. Seriously, who gives a hoot about the mirror or shutter sound, all that's important is whether it works or not. For those who haven't tried it, give it a go.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ozlizard Quote
Thanks for your replies. I realise that most of this is in the manual however I always like to hear from people who have actually messed around with the camera first.
My first attempt was not very promising. Although the file is an avi it wouldn't play with any old media player and had to played through Silkypix, which I have never used.
(yeah I know read the manual!)
Also the playback sound was virtually non existant except for a loud repeated click. I probably havn't got it set up properly. Never had a use for video on a DSLR so have never used it.
However I want to make some short vids for my website so thought I would give it a go.
I think we've been talking about using Live View here, not using Video mode.
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QuoteOriginally posted by creampuff Quote
This thread has side tracked to too much about LV.
The original post raised several interesting points,
and the LV discussion has just been a natural follow-on
from the first of those points.

QuoteOriginally posted by creampuff Quote
Seriously, who gives a hoot about the mirror or shutter sound, all that's important is whether it works or not. For those who haven't tried it, give it a go.
For old-time SLR users, the question may just be rhetorical.

But it is certainly a serious question for anyone
who has used silent, quick live view on a mirrorless,
and who would like a similar function on a modern DSLR.
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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
The original post raised several interesting points,
and the LV discussion has just been a natural follow-on
from the first of those points.



For old-time SLR users, the question may just be rhetorical.

But it is certainly a serious question for anyone
who has used silent, quick live view on a mirrorless,
and who would like a similar function on a modern DSLR.
Had a listen to a Nex 5 and imho it is not exactly quiet. In fact, it sounds just about as loud as a regular DSLR.
The mirrorless interchangeable cams like Nex and M4/3rds use focal plane shutters which are relatively loud...if you want quiet, then you need to use leaf shutters like the Fuji x10 and X100, or Canon G series cams.

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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
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For old-time SLR users, the question may just be rhetorical.

But it is certainly a serious question for anyone
who has used silent, quick live view on a mirrorless,
and who would like a similar function on a modern DSLR.

The shutter sound on all the mirrorless I have or have tried are louder than that of a K5.
(ie. GF1; G3l; NEX5n)
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QuoteOriginally posted by taurus9 Quote
if you want quiet, then you need to use leaf shutters like the Fuji x10 and X100, or Canon G series cams.
The other option is an electronic shutter,
either first-curtain (partial silencing, good IQ)
or complete (compromised IQ).

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