Full Frame lenses and value if a FF camera is introduced

olivemike · 01-16-2012, 12:01 PM

Purely a hypothetical game here, but I'm curious as to peoples thoughts about what would happen to the resale value of the FF lenses on the marketplace. Does anyone think the used prices would go up or even soar?

Bart · 01-16-2012, 12:05 PM

Yes

jsherman999 · 01-16-2012, 12:05 PM

Possibly. If Pentax comes out with replacements for them, though, they will probably reduce in resale value.

vonBaloney · 01-16-2012, 12:07 PM

Naturally they'd go up. I don't know about "soaring" because with a new high-end model most will want high-end glass and most of that will be available new which will cap the used prices.

RioRico · 01-16-2012, 12:16 PM

Yes, FF lenses will rise in price -- until people start checking edge quality.

dgaies · 01-16-2012, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by olivemike

Purely a hypothetical game here, but I'm curious as to peoples thoughts about what would happen to the resale value of the FF lenses on the marketplace. Does anyone think the used prices would go up or even soar?

I agree with Jay, it could go either way. If, and it's still a pretty big if, Pentax releases a FF body, they'll almost certainly want/need to release new FF lenses to go with it. How those lenses perform, and how much they cost, will dictate what happens to the used prices of existing FF glass. Obviously if it performs better and the cost isn't too high, it will likely drive down the price of used legacy glass. If the new glass is overpriced and/or doesn't perform as well, legacy glass could increase in value.

**Lowell Goudge** · 01-16-2012, 12:23 PM

while there may be a marginal increase in some FA lenses that are not available any longer other than used market. I don't see a lot happening.

There are already many many lenses on the market from the likes of tamron and sigma that are full frame already and in current production, I doubt these will change at all.

what may happen is depending on how many go full frame, demand for some lenses will rise a little, and others will drop a little, but overall i think the market would be stable.

People who want an FA 80-200 either have it already, or the sigma or tamron FF alternatives.

eddie1960 · 01-16-2012, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Lowell Goudge

while there may be a marginal increase in some FA lenses that are not available any longer other than used market. I don't see a lot happening.

There are already many many lenses on the market from the likes of tamron and sigma that are full frame already and in current production, I doubt these will change at all.

what may happen is depending on how many go full frame, demand for some lenses will rise a little, and others will drop a little, but overall i think the market would be stable.

People who want an FA 80-200 either have it already, or the sigma or tamron FF alternatives.

Also there is the likelihood that if a FF is introduced some of the items that are quite high priced in the used market (FA*85 for instance or the 80-200) will also be relaunched in DFA variants with new coatings and probably WR and SDM to serve the needs of the market (and make money of course) In that case I think some of the older product will lose some value depending on the price of the new item. I doubt the FA LTD market will change at all since they are already in production and command a premium in the used market as well.
Any of the more mediocre base level lenses (ie basic zooms and slow primes) if a new model came out would devalue pretty fast I think.

riff · 01-16-2012, 01:19 PM

I don't think it will make much difference at all, maybe firm up the prices at bit. I base that on assuming the number of FF cameras sold will be very small compared to the number of most old lens for sale.

eddie1960 · 01-16-2012, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by riff

I don't think it will make much difference at all, maybe firm up the prices at bit. I base that on assuming the number of FF cameras sold will be very small compared to the number of most old lens for sale.

it may not be that small depending on the pricing, but I think many who buy initially will already have lenses though they may then buy more (nothing like a new camera to drive LBA)

hoanpham · 01-16-2012, 01:33 PM

And you think when a FF body is coming out, Ricoh Pentax would not introduce newer FF lenses?
Either old design FF MF lenses in newer coating, or slightly modify to adapt AF, could be the most profitable income the years to come.
Old MF lenses will then only have a short value until they are replaced.

But will the new ricoh pentax company have enough fund to run marketing to compete with canikon? Strategy? Survey? Or is it too late for a dslr FF release? Or maybe a new ricoh GXx FF module? Or how would pentax capture a larger market share?

May be a new FF dslr that designed for MF and AF, better suited MF than current K5 (Optical VF or EVF, split screen or S type, etc) current dslr has weaknesses with MF (mirror flips when release with LV...). This FF body will be the base to sell more of MF lenses, with a remix of best K, M, A, FA newer coating, may be with improved design... Then we may talk about marketshare...

There less MF pentax lenses out there. Lenses being chopped the aperture lever... Unless you have accumulated a more less completed set of lenses, i see one day a pentaxian being forced to change system, if they still love photography...

JohnBee · 01-16-2012, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by olivemike

Purely a hypothetical game here, but I'm curious as to peoples thoughts about what would happen to the resale value of the FF lenses on the marketplace. Does anyone think the used prices would go up or even soar?

I think we could see a market reaction at the announcement stage. However, I'm also thinking that the DSLR will one day come to an end when mirroless takes hold. Which incidentally, would allow for a much broader range of glass options thus driving the prices lower.

Hopefully.

Having said that, how I wish I could go back in time and scoop up all those amazing lenses that everyone thought were dead in the water when DSLR's hit the market. Oh the irony!

riff · 01-16-2012, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by hoanpham

Old MF lenses will then only have a short value until they are replaced.

I am of the opinion that these old MF lenses cannot be replaced anymore.
Some points to consider.
Many like/prefer MF lens
I have not seen any lens that combines MF and AF in any usable way, the requirements for MF and AF are mostly at odds with each other.

Old lens were designed by highly skilled people using their eyes as the final arbitrator of what was best.
New lens are designed by computer, numbers decide what is best.
Both methods have pluses and the end result is different.

lytrytyr · 01-16-2012, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by riff

I have not seen any lens that combines MF and AF in any usable way, the requirements for MF and AF are mostly at odds with each other.

Well, Quick-Shift on the DA Limiteds comes close.

TOUGEFC · 01-16-2012, 03:23 PM

I think that there is a good chance of old FF glass to rise if a FF Pentax body came out.
Increased Demand = Increased Prices

01-16-2012, 12:01 PM	#1
olivemike Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Tennessee Photos: Albums Posts: 49	Full Frame lenses and value if a FF camera is introduced Purely a hypothetical game here, but I'm curious as to peoples thoughts about what would happen to the resale value of the FF lenses on the marketplace. Does anyone think the used prices would go up or even soar?

01-16-2012, 12:05 PM	#3
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Possibly. If Pentax comes out with replacements for them, though, they will probably reduce in resale value. Last edited by jsherman999; 01-16-2012 at 12:35 PM.

01-16-2012, 02:20 PM	#13
riff Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,408	Originally posted by hoanpham Old MF lenses will then only have a short value until they are replaced. I am of the opinion that these old MF lenses cannot be replaced anymore. Some points to consider. Many like/prefer MF lens I have not seen any lens that combines MF and AF in any usable way, the requirements for MF and AF are mostly at odds with each other. Old lens were designed by highly skilled people using their eyes as the final arbitrator of what was best. New lens are designed by computer, numbers decide what is best. Both methods have pluses and the end result is different. Last edited by riff; 01-16-2012 at 09:29 PM.

01-16-2012, 03:23 PM	#15
TOUGEFC Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,561	I think that there is a good chance of old FF glass to rise if a FF Pentax body came out. Increased Demand = Increased Prices Last edited by TOUGEFC; 01-16-2012 at 08:54 PM.

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01-16-2012, 12:05 PM	#2
Bart Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: WW community of Pentax users Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,646	Yes

01-16-2012, 12:07 PM	#4
vonBaloney Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 6,029	Naturally they'd go up. I don't know about "soaring" because with a new high-end model most will want high-end glass and most of that will be available new which will cap the used prices.

01-16-2012, 12:16 PM	#5
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Yes, FF lenses will rise in price -- until people start checking edge quality.

01-16-2012, 12:17 PM	#6
dgaies Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Maryland / Washington DC Posts: 3,917	Originally posted by olivemike Purely a hypothetical game here, but I'm curious as to peoples thoughts about what would happen to the resale value of the FF lenses on the marketplace. Does anyone think the used prices would go up or even soar? I agree with Jay, it could go either way. If, and it's still a pretty big if, Pentax releases a FF body, they'll almost certainly want/need to release new FF lenses to go with it. How those lenses perform, and how much they cost, will dictate what happens to the used prices of existing FF glass. Obviously if it performs better and the cost isn't too high, it will likely drive down the price of used legacy glass. If the new glass is overpriced and/or doesn't perform as well, legacy glass could increase in value.

01-16-2012, 12:23 PM	#7
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,887	while there may be a marginal increase in some FA lenses that are not available any longer other than used market. I don't see a lot happening. There are already many many lenses on the market from the likes of tamron and sigma that are full frame already and in current production, I doubt these will change at all. what may happen is depending on how many go full frame, demand for some lenses will rise a little, and others will drop a little, but overall i think the market would be stable. People who want an FA 80-200 either have it already, or the sigma or tamron FF alternatives.

01-16-2012, 12:38 PM	#8
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by Lowell Goudge while there may be a marginal increase in some FA lenses that are not available any longer other than used market. I don't see a lot happening. There are already many many lenses on the market from the likes of tamron and sigma that are full frame already and in current production, I doubt these will change at all. what may happen is depending on how many go full frame, demand for some lenses will rise a little, and others will drop a little, but overall i think the market would be stable. People who want an FA 80-200 either have it already, or the sigma or tamron FF alternatives. Also there is the likelihood that if a FF is introduced some of the items that are quite high priced in the used market (FA*85 for instance or the 80-200) will also be relaunched in DFA variants with new coatings and probably WR and SDM to serve the needs of the market (and make money of course) In that case I think some of the older product will lose some value depending on the price of the new item. I doubt the FA LTD market will change at all since they are already in production and command a premium in the used market as well. Any of the more mediocre base level lenses (ie basic zooms and slow primes) if a new model came out would devalue pretty fast I think.

01-16-2012, 01:19 PM	#9
riff Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,408	I don't think it will make much difference at all, maybe firm up the prices at bit. I base that on assuming the number of FF cameras sold will be very small compared to the number of most old lens for sale.

01-16-2012, 01:25 PM	#10
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by riff I don't think it will make much difference at all, maybe firm up the prices at bit. I base that on assuming the number of FF cameras sold will be very small compared to the number of most old lens for sale. it may not be that small depending on the pricing, but I think many who buy initially will already have lenses though they may then buy more (nothing like a new camera to drive LBA)

01-16-2012, 01:33 PM	#11
hoanpham Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Strand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,366	And you think when a FF body is coming out, Ricoh Pentax would not introduce newer FF lenses? Either old design FF MF lenses in newer coating, or slightly modify to adapt AF, could be the most profitable income the years to come. Old MF lenses will then only have a short value until they are replaced. But will the new ricoh pentax company have enough fund to run marketing to compete with canikon? Strategy? Survey? Or is it too late for a dslr FF release? Or maybe a new ricoh GXx FF module? Or how would pentax capture a larger market share? May be a new FF dslr that designed for MF and AF, better suited MF than current K5 (Optical VF or EVF, split screen or S type, etc) current dslr has weaknesses with MF (mirror flips when release with LV...). This FF body will be the base to sell more of MF lenses, with a remix of best K, M, A, FA newer coating, may be with improved design... Then we may talk about marketshare... There less MF pentax lenses out there. Lenses being chopped the aperture lever... Unless you have accumulated a more less completed set of lenses, i see one day a pentaxian being forced to change system, if they still love photography...

01-16-2012, 01:44 PM	#12
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by olivemike Purely a hypothetical game here, but I'm curious as to peoples thoughts about what would happen to the resale value of the FF lenses on the marketplace. Does anyone think the used prices would go up or even soar? I think we could see a market reaction at the announcement stage. However, I'm also thinking that the DSLR will one day come to an end when mirroless takes hold. Which incidentally, would allow for a much broader range of glass options thus driving the prices lower. Hopefully. Having said that, how I wish I could go back in time and scoop up all those amazing lenses that everyone thought were dead in the water when DSLR's hit the market. Oh the irony!

01-16-2012, 02:48 PM	#14
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by riff I have not seen any lens that combines MF and AF in any usable way, the requirements for MF and AF are mostly at odds with each other. Well, Quick-Shift on the DA Limiteds comes close.