NEW Pentax Lens Roadmap 2012/2013

lytrytyr · 02-05-2012, 08:09 AM

Son of FA20-35/4 may be Pentax's quick-and-dirty answer to our requests for a prime in the 24-28mm range.
Since it won't be as fast as we'd like, they're calling it "Limited."

jsherman999 · 02-05-2012, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

Son of FA20-35/4 may be Pentax's quick-and-dirty answer to our requests for a prime in the 24-28mm range.
Since it won't be as fast as we'd like, they're calling it "Limited."

That another possibility

the swede · 02-05-2012, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

Son of FA20-35/4 may be Pentax's quick-and-dirty answer to our requests for a prime in the 24-28mm range.
Since it won't be as fast as we'd like, they're calling it "Limited."

I could se myself using such lens.... on FF though

audiobomber · 02-05-2012, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by jsherman999

But I thought all those folks were "stupid", and Pentax wouldn't listen to them anyway?

So, either 1) they weren't stupid after all for wanting an economical fast-50 on aps-c, or 2) there is a FF body (in some form or another) with some pending release date.

Huh.

I never thought people asking for a cheap 50mm were stupid. The trolls who bring it up in every thread are stupid. A cheap 50mm makes sense now that they've boosted the price of the FA 50 1.4, whether there's a new FF or not. I didn't believe there would be a FF under Hoya, but I do believe we'll see one under Ricoh.

Originally posted by jsherman999

I do. I've been wishing for a 135mm Limited since early 2008. A very small, f/2.8 or faster prime alternative to what now is only satisfied by the very large 50-135 2.8 zoom.

I guess every manufacturer had 200mm f/2.8 in film days, so it must be useful. I just didn't like it compared to 100mm on APS-C.

Originally posted by jsherman999

A lot of folks think the 77 is a silly FL for aps-c. I disagree there as well. Almost any focal length can be useful, and as long as great optics are involved, very fun to use.

That's true, if you "get" a focal length, or have a need for it, any can be useful. I used my 135mm every day for a month for a Single In challenge. The main reason I didn't warm up to it was because it was just too tight for portraits. OK outdoors though. It would make sense for some sports.

Last edited by audiobomber; 02-05-2012 at 01:10 PM.

**sholtzma** · 02-05-2012, 02:14 PM

I know, I know, we're left to speculate about lens details for the most part.

But I'd still like your judgment. Say that the 550mm is produced, that it is a DA lens, that it is f5.6. Roughly what would you expect the ballpark street price to be?

the swede · 02-05-2012, 02:15 PM

There's that trend that has been floating around now for many year. You just have to get a nifty fifty when you move from the kitlens and up.

This is mostly common in Canikon land i believe. There's nothing wrong with it, but it never had anything with the focal length to do.
It was more a way to move forward in the learning process of photography. And the availability of a descent performing, and yet cheap lens.
For APS-C it become like a traditional way to move up from the kit zoom to expand the possibilities of shorter DOF and be able to afford it.

I still can see the good in it, and it being a bridge for many to learn and find out if they want to continue.
Because everyone that starts with DSLR cant imagine buying a lens that costs more than the camera itself.... later on, they find out its the other way around.
Well.... many people dont walk that line, just stop were they are and feel happy. But just as many move on and grow into it and make it an hobby or living or whatever.

So the "good" in having a nifty fifty for APS-C is a fact, but i'd rather see that trend broken. And if we look at our line up, there are some nifty's there all ready that isn't 50mm but are good and have nice prices.

lytrytyr · 02-05-2012, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by the swede

You just have to get a nifty fifty when you move from the kitlens and up.

Actually, what we now see as a "nifty fifty" used to be considered a kit lens on the old film SLRs.

Verglace · 02-05-2012, 03:14 PM

I think a fast and cheap nifty fifty is quite important. When you consider that the easiest thing people who moved from P&S to DSLR to do that a P&S can't do are bokeh shots a 50mm is the go to lens. Canon and Nikon has 50mm 1.8 AF lenses for $120 new. The thin dof of the 1.8 allows people to take those bokeh shots when they first learn about apertures. It's a very useful/fun lens for a beginner. Pentax's closest solution is a $250 DA35 2.4, a longer focal length is generally preferable for bokeh work though and I find the compression of a 50mm is better for portraits as it makes people look thinner. So I think the new 50 is a cheap nifty fifty to cover this gap in the pentax line up.

acrollet · 02-05-2012, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Verglace

It's a very useful/fun lens for a beginner. Pentax's closest solution is a $250 DA35 2.4, a longer focal length is generally preferable for bokeh work though and I find the compression of a 50mm is better for portraits as it makes people look thinner.

I agree with the general premise of your post, but just wanted to point out that the Da(L) 35 2.4 is going for $169 brand new last I checked...

jsherman999 · 02-05-2012, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by audiobomber

I never thought people asking for a cheap 50mm were stupid. The trolls who bring it up in every thread are stupid.

I know, I'm just giving you a hard time.

.

**rparmar** · 02-05-2012, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

Like I posted earlier in this thread,
I would expect it to be a rework of the FA 20-35/4,
which has been on the market recently.

Looking at a roadmap like this, it is useful to bear in mind
that Pentax's design resources are limited (excuse the pun!).
So don't expect to see many totally new designs.
Instead, ask where each announced lens could have come from.
Expect a new design only if there's no likely ancestor.

Except that Pentax have never, in fact, done this for their APS-C platform. Instead they bring out field of view equivalent lenses. That means a DA 14-24mm f/4. That range is covered on the map by the DA Wide Zoom. Conclusion? The DA Wide Zoom is the "replacement" for the FA 20-35/4.

Originally posted by lytrytyr

Son of FA20-35/4 may be Pentax's quick-and-dirty answer to our requests for a prime in the 24-28mm range.
Since it won't be as fast as we'd like, they're calling it "Limited."

What, instead of "Useless"?

Because that's what a normal lens at maximum f/4 would be. We need 2-3 stops faster than that, please!

(Which of course means no zoom.)

lytrytyr · 02-05-2012, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by rparmar

Except that Pentax have never, in fact, done this for their APS-C platform.

DA21/3.2 from M20/4, DA40/2.8 from M40/2.8, DFA100/2.8 from FA100/2.8?

saladin · 02-05-2012, 10:32 PM

the 100-300 range lens needs to be a top quality 2.8 (or 4 at a minimum) imo. there is a big hole in the lens line-up given sigma have dropped the 100-300 f/4 and are showing no signs of releasing the 100-300 f/2.8 in pentax mount. The bigma's are not quite the quality, though the prices are good. they fill this hole and it will go a long way to allowing large-field sports enthusiasts to stick with pentax, especially if the road-map's 500mm is a good glass as well.

Ishpuini · 02-06-2012, 01:39 AM

I wonder whether CP+ will reveal more detail, or whether we will have to wait for another event (Photokina?) to know more about the lenses that are in the 2012 swimlane of the roadmap? Guess we'll know in three days?

Wim

Frogfish · 02-06-2012, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by sholtzma

i know, i know, we're left to speculate about lens details for the most part.

But i'd still like your judgment. Say that the 550mm is produced, that it is a da lens, that it is f5.6. Roughly what would you expect the ballpark street price to be?

US$1,500 - 2,000. Nikons' 400mm/5.6 is listed as US$1,200 I believe.

02-05-2012, 02:15 PM	#261
the swede Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,310	There's that trend that has been floating around now for many year. You just have to get a nifty fifty when you move from the kitlens and up. This is mostly common in Canikon land i believe. There's nothing wrong with it, but it never had anything with the focal length to do. It was more a way to move forward in the learning process of photography. And the availability of a descent performing, and yet cheap lens. For APS-C it become like a traditional way to move up from the kit zoom to expand the possibilities of shorter DOF and be able to afford it. I still can see the good in it, and it being a bridge for many to learn and find out if they want to continue. Because everyone that starts with DSLR cant imagine buying a lens that costs more than the camera itself.... later on, they find out its the other way around. Well.... many people dont walk that line, just stop were they are and feel happy. But just as many move on and grow into it and make it an hobby or living or whatever. So the "good" in having a nifty fifty for APS-C is a fact, but i'd rather see that trend broken. And if we look at our line up, there are some nifty's there all ready that isn't 50mm but are good and have nice prices. Last edited by the swede; 02-05-2012 at 02:21 PM.

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02-05-2012, 08:09 AM	#256
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Son of FA20-35/4 may be Pentax's quick-and-dirty answer to our requests for a prime in the 24-28mm range. Since it won't be as fast as we'd like, they're calling it "Limited."

02-05-2012, 08:29 AM	#257
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by lytrytyr Son of FA20-35/4 may be Pentax's quick-and-dirty answer to our requests for a prime in the 24-28mm range. Since it won't be as fast as we'd like, they're calling it "Limited." That another possibility

02-05-2012, 09:55 AM	#258
the swede Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,310	Originally posted by lytrytyr Son of FA20-35/4 may be Pentax's quick-and-dirty answer to our requests for a prime in the 24-28mm range. Since it won't be as fast as we'd like, they're calling it "Limited." I could se myself using such lens.... on FF though

02-05-2012, 01:03 PM	#259
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by jsherman999 But I thought all those folks were "stupid", and Pentax wouldn't listen to them anyway? So, either 1) they weren't stupid after all for wanting an economical fast-50 on aps-c, or 2) there is a FF body (in some form or another) with some pending release date. Huh. I never thought people asking for a cheap 50mm were stupid. The trolls who bring it up in every thread are stupid. A cheap 50mm makes sense now that they've boosted the price of the FA 50 1.4, whether there's a new FF or not. I didn't believe there would be a FF under Hoya, but I do believe we'll see one under Ricoh. Originally posted by jsherman999 I do. I've been wishing for a 135mm Limited since early 2008. A very small, f/2.8 or faster prime alternative to what now is only satisfied by the very large 50-135 2.8 zoom. I guess every manufacturer had 200mm f/2.8 in film days, so it must be useful. I just didn't like it compared to 100mm on APS-C. Originally posted by jsherman999 A lot of folks think the 77 is a silly FL for aps-c. I disagree there as well. Almost any focal length can be useful, and as long as great optics are involved, very fun to use. That's true, if you "get" a focal length, or have a need for it, any can be useful. I used my 135mm every day for a month for a Single In challenge. The main reason I didn't warm up to it was because it was just too tight for portraits. OK outdoors though. It would make sense for some sports. Last edited by audiobomber; 02-05-2012 at 01:10 PM.

02-05-2012, 02:14 PM	#260
sholtzma Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Salisbury, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,043	I know, I know, we're left to speculate about lens details for the most part. But I'd still like your judgment. Say that the 550mm is produced, that it is a DA lens, that it is f5.6. Roughly what would you expect the ballpark street price to be?

02-05-2012, 02:45 PM	#262
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by the swede You just have to get a nifty fifty when you move from the kitlens and up. Actually, what we now see as a "nifty fifty" used to be considered a kit lens on the old film SLRs.

02-05-2012, 03:14 PM	#263
Verglace Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 468	I think a fast and cheap nifty fifty is quite important. When you consider that the easiest thing people who moved from P&S to DSLR to do that a P&S can't do are bokeh shots a 50mm is the go to lens. Canon and Nikon has 50mm 1.8 AF lenses for $120 new. The thin dof of the 1.8 allows people to take those bokeh shots when they first learn about apertures. It's a very useful/fun lens for a beginner. Pentax's closest solution is a $250 DA35 2.4, a longer focal length is generally preferable for bokeh work though and I find the compression of a 50mm is better for portraits as it makes people look thinner. So I think the new 50 is a cheap nifty fifty to cover this gap in the pentax line up.

02-05-2012, 04:00 PM	#264
acrollet Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 351	Originally posted by Verglace It's a very useful/fun lens for a beginner. Pentax's closest solution is a $250 DA35 2.4, a longer focal length is generally preferable for bokeh work though and I find the compression of a 50mm is better for portraits as it makes people look thinner. I agree with the general premise of your post, but just wanted to point out that the Da(L) 35 2.4 is going for $169 brand new last I checked...

02-05-2012, 04:13 PM	#265
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by audiobomber I never thought people asking for a cheap 50mm were stupid. The trolls who bring it up in every thread are stupid. I know, I'm just giving you a hard time. .

02-05-2012, 05:44 PM	#266
rparmar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,819	Originally posted by lytrytyr Like I posted earlier in this thread, I would expect it to be a rework of the FA 20-35/4, which has been on the market recently. Looking at a roadmap like this, it is useful to bear in mind that Pentax's design resources are limited (excuse the pun!). So don't expect to see many totally new designs. Instead, ask where each announced lens could have come from. Expect a new design only if there's no likely ancestor. Except that Pentax have never, in fact, done this for their APS-C platform. Instead they bring out field of view equivalent lenses. That means a DA 14-24mm f/4. That range is covered on the map by the DA Wide Zoom. Conclusion? The DA Wide Zoom is the "replacement" for the FA 20-35/4. Originally posted by lytrytyr Son of FA20-35/4 may be Pentax's quick-and-dirty answer to our requests for a prime in the 24-28mm range. Since it won't be as fast as we'd like, they're calling it "Limited." What, instead of "Useless"? Because that's what a normal lens at maximum f/4 would be. We need 2-3 stops faster than that, please! (Which of course means no zoom.)

02-05-2012, 07:31 PM	#267
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by rparmar Except that Pentax have never, in fact, done this for their APS-C platform. DA21/3.2 from M20/4, DA40/2.8 from M40/2.8, DFA100/2.8 from FA100/2.8?

02-05-2012, 10:32 PM	#268
saladin Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: outer eastern melbourne, australia Posts: 427	the 100-300 range lens needs to be a top quality 2.8 (or 4 at a minimum) imo. there is a big hole in the lens line-up given sigma have dropped the 100-300 f/4 and are showing no signs of releasing the 100-300 f/2.8 in pentax mount. The bigma's are not quite the quality, though the prices are good. they fill this hole and it will go a long way to allowing large-field sports enthusiasts to stick with pentax, especially if the road-map's 500mm is a good glass as well.

02-06-2012, 01:39 AM	#269
Ishpuini Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,727	I wonder whether CP+ will reveal more detail, or whether we will have to wait for another event (Photokina?) to know more about the lenses that are in the 2012 swimlane of the roadmap? Guess we'll know in three days? Wim

02-06-2012, 03:44 AM	#270
Frogfish Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shanghai Posts: 4,490	Originally posted by sholtzma i know, i know, we're left to speculate about lens details for the most part. But i'd still like your judgment. Say that the 550mm is produced, that it is a da lens, that it is f5.6. Roughly what would you expect the ballpark street price to be? US$1,500 - 2,000. Nikons' 400mm/5.6 is listed as US$1,200 I believe.