Originally posted by pacerr Yeah, but if you're usin' a TC it's probably because the financial alternative would have been an econ consumer zoom at f 8 or bloated ISO to get comparable IQ anyway -- or a serious crop from a lens shorter by 50%.
Well, maybe not f/8, but sure, the alternative other than cropping is indeed usually a longer but slower lens. If I am considering using a TC on, say, my M120/2.8, the alternative I compare it to is using my M200/4. If I consider usng a TC on, say, my M200/4, the alternative I compare it to is using my Tamron-made 70-300/4-5.6. But since it's pretty rare I'd actually have all this hardware with me, really, the choice I make is normally beween using the TC versus simply cropping.
Quote: And I've no doubt that some of the bad-mouthin' of TCs comes from folks that simply don't understand, and/or fail to compensate for, the significantly increased motion blur that accompanies longer focal length lenses.
There is a fair amount of confusion about this from from both sides, I'd say, and part of that comes from the fact that there are actually different ways of doing the comparison that makes sense depending on whether you are already shutter-speed limited or not, and also on whether you are comparing against a specific other lens or against cropping on the same lens.
In the case where light is so bright you just don't have to worry about shutter speed, then I would normally choose the single sharpest aperture available. That might mean f/8 for a the bare lens I am comparing against, but it might mean something else for the lens with TC.
In the case where light is limited so I'm trying to get the fastest shutter speed I reasonably can, I feel the most sensible comparisons are those that either hold shutter speed constant or else that give me the fastest shutter speed I can get for a given ISO - ie, shooting wide open. Both comparisons interest me.
I've done fairly thorough tests of this nature using my Kenko 1.5 TC on most of my lenses, comparing both to the same lens cropped, and to the next longer/slower lens in my lineup. I compared my 50/1.7+TC to my 70/2.4, my 70/2.4+TC to my 100/2.8, 100/2.8+TC to my 135/3.5, etc. Plus of course also each lens with TC t the same lens cropped.
As I've related, the only case where I ever found a win for this particular TC with these particular lenses was in the non-light-limited case for the M200/4. The sharpest aperture with TC was f/6.7 on the lens (which is a stop slower effectively), and the image at that aperture slightly beat the cropped image from the bare M200/4 at its best aperture, which was f/8. The TC image had a slower shutter speed, but got a sharper image. So, that one worked out OK for the TC. All other comparisons, however, were won handily by both the bare lens cropped and by the next longer/slower lens.
Quote: Motion blur from one source or another accounts for the great majority of my unsatisfactory long FL shots even though I'm careful to double-down on stability when usin' tele modes.
And something that I think people don't always take into account is that if you're going to crop an image, you need a faster shutter speed just as surely as you would if you had shot with a longer lens. That is, if you're going to crop an image from a 200mm lens to the same field of view as an image from a 300mm lens, you will need the same shutter on each to get the same average level of blur.