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02-24-2012, 04:00 PM   #1
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Suggestions for a budget sports setup

Hi,

I am currently setting up to be able to do sports shooting in the equestrial competitions. I am on a real tight budget and currently owna K20D with grip and the 18-55 WR lens.

I also own a SIGMA APO 70-300 mm which I sold.

My budget is around 800 €.

Searching for the second hand market I found the following items to boost my equipment:

1 Pentax K7 body with 2000 actuations (410 €)

Pentax F 80-200mm f/4.7-5.6 (70 €)

SMC - Téléobjectif Zoom FA 100-300 mm f/4.5-5.6 (119 €)

Manfrotto 190 + tête 3 axes (65 €)

12x9cm Flash Softbox Diffuseur pour Canon Nikon Sony Pentax Sunpak Sigma Nissin ( x2 -7€)

YN-460 SPEEDLITE FLASH pour CANON NIKON PENTAX (x2 - 50,80 €)

BATTERY GRIP FOR PENTAX K-7 K7 D-BG4 + 4X D-LI90 DLI90 (100 €)

Backpack for containing two DSLR + Flash + Lenses (25 €)


I would like to know wether you think that it is a good start to do sport shooting.

Thanks a lot for your input

02-24-2012, 04:11 PM   #2
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You should consider a fast 70-200 f2.8 sports zoom, along with a monopod to help keep you from getting tired form holding it through a long event.

This is a good one for around $700 used. https://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/sigma-70-200mm-f2-8-ex-dg-apo-macro-hsm-ii.html

It focuses fast for action sports and lets you maintain high shutter speed due to large constant aperture

The K-7 will not offer much improvement in Image Quality as it uses the same sensor as your k20D (from what I hear)
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QuoteOriginally posted by crewl1 Quote
The K-7 will not offer much improvement in Image Quality as it uses the same sensor as your k20D (from what I hear)
That was my experience. I agree that the Sigma 70-200/2.8 would be a good choice.
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Why's this in the 'Photography Techniques' section?

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Previous advice is good: monopod should be the first thing you get, plus a fast longer lens to complement your camera. Equestrian is not the fastest sport but still requires you practice timing. 200mm may not be long enough, in which case you would be looking at getting a prime 300mm.

But good technique and experience should be the first things you come to grips with.

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02-24-2012, 05:37 PM   #6
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On a budget :

Pentax 55-300 on a stick (monopod). Shoot at ISO 400.
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Just renamed/moved your thread. Titles such as "I need help" will only get you fewer replies, so make them more specific in the future and you'll get better assistance

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Agreed - a 70-200/2.8 and a monopod.

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QuoteOriginally posted by civiletti Quote
and a monopod.
Yes, and a monopod.
02-24-2012, 08:50 PM   #10
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In the used market, lok for an original sigma APO72-200 F2.8 EX (non DG non macro). Great lens really sharp wide open, and can be used with sigma screw drive APO teleconverters to extend the range if needed. Be careful not to get later macro versions as they were soft, especially wide open at 200mm.
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Thanks a lot for all the advice and input. Also thanks to Adam for moving the thread to the correct place as I was not sure.

As I mentioned above I am on a tight budget of around 800 € ( 990 USD ). I buy the K7 because of the increase in burst shooting over the K20D and I can not aford the K5 for the time being. I looked into the option of the Kr with a better lens, but since 90 % of the shooting occurs outdoors I will need the weather sealing of the K7.

The K7 I buy also comes with a focal length multiplier of x2, a wireless remote and Nikon to Pentax K adapter (whatever that is). In about two months I will have the necessary funds to purchase the DA* 60-250mm f/4 ED [IF] SDM.

However in the meanwhile I had the idea of purchasing the 80-200 and 100-300 to have the necessary reach with two relatively good AF lenses.

Which leads me to another question, a person on a site on which I buy claims to be selling a Pentax SMC zoom 80-200 / f 4.5, with a 4.5 constant aperture throughout the zoom range. I coulldn't find the lens anywhere in the database. So the question is, does this lens really exist.

For reference here is the link: Pentax SMC zoom 80-200/4.5 - Achat et vente neufs et d'occasion sur PriceMinister

If it does I would rather purchase this one.

Again thanks a lot for the advises and I hope that I will be able to contribute at least half of what you people help me with.
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QuoteOriginally posted by BNBPhoto Quote
I buy the K7 because of the increase in burst shooting over the K20D and I can not aford the K5 for the time being.
This is a mistake, IMO. Burst shooting does not make for a better photographer. Machine gunning only makes for a corpse. Instead, learn the timing of your event and how to press the shutter at the right moment.

Your money is better spent elsewhere.
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All right. I will finally go for the K7, a better 80-200 lens with at least f4 constant aperture and a f1.8 wide angle prime lens.

The 3 i/s of the K20D just don't cut it as a horse jumping over an obstacle is an action that takes from 8/10th of a second to a second. So higher burst is important to get a higher probability to get the right action sequence.

Also if somebody could reply to my question about the 80-200 f4.5 lens above I would really appreciate it.

Thanks again.
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QuoteOriginally posted by BNBPhoto Quote
Which leads me to another question, a person on a site on which I buy claims to be selling a Pentax SMC zoom 80-200 / f 4.5, with a 4.5 constant aperture throughout the zoom range. I coulldn't find the lens anywhere in the database. So the question is, does this lens really exist.

For reference here is the link: Pentax SMC zoom 80-200/4.5 - Achat et vente neufs et d'occasion sur PriceMinister

If it does I would rather purchase this one.
It does not exist. That is this lens, which is rather slow (f/4.7-5.6) for its reach. The modern DA 55-300 will blow it out of the water if you're okay with f/4.5 and slower.

Also, like many others here have mentioned, the K-7 doesn't buy you as much improvement over your K20D as just putting the money toward a K-5 in the near future would. I can completely see how increased burst shooting would help in equestrian events (most definitely with hunter-jumper) so you can select the best shot after the fact, but those burst photos also have to be in focus and at fairly high shutter speeds (which means higher ISOs) and the K-7 just isn't the Pentax DSLR for that job - the K-5 is. (Heck, even the K-x is better than the K-7 in this regard!)

**Note that I am not saying the K-7 (or K20D) cannot do outdoor action sports, but with the lenses you can afford, you'd have to be very experienced or lucky indeed to get lots of "keepers."

In addition, the better high ISO (even outdoors) means you can be confident in stopping down a mediocre lens (which almost all of these are) and still getting nice shots with acceptable sharpness from head to tail. This was a fast moving bird, shot in burst, under bright-overcast with the Sigma 150-500 -- it required ISO4500 to get 1/750 at f/11 (which is where this lens' sharpness peaks at 500mm):


The grain of a K20D or K-7 at similar ISO (I had a K20D for years) would've destroyed any sharpness gained by stopping down or stopping the motion (1/750), plus I honestly don't think my K20D would've focused fast enough, but horses on a course are predictable enough for manual pre-focusing.

Just my .02 CAD... do what you want in any case.

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02-28-2012, 01:19 AM   #15
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Hello again everybody,

just to give an update, I finally bought the gear and would like at the same time thank everybody for their precious advice.

So here it goes:

- Pentax K7 (I know, but I prefer to have 2 cams just in case as a backup and I fell in love with it)

- Tokina AT-X 828AF PRO 80-200mm F2.8 (I found this one at a bargain price)

- Takumar F Zoom 70-210mm ; f 1:4-5.6 (part of a lot)

- Pentax SMC Pentax-F Zoom 35-70mm ; f 1:3.5-4.5 (part of the same lot)

- COSINON-W MC 28mm/2.8 PENTAX K


Again thanks a lot everybody for the wealth of advice and I hope I will be able to share soon some photos with you guys.

Just for the record, here is what I will be shooting:

- Equestrian events

- Polo

- Football (Soccer )

- Rugby

- Fashion
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