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04-08-2012, 05:00 AM   #61
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I hope they make the DA 55-300 WR

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I opt for a Wide angle solution, because these are the lenses you use in extreme situations. So the 10-17 and 12-24 should definitely get WR sealing.

Besides dust, salt and water, temperature can be a big issue too. I sometimes work in the Arctic and also do some mountaineering. Thus I get frequently exposed to temperatures below -10C (14F) and far lower. On my last trip my K7 started to get significantly slower at -10C, but still was able to take pictures. So besides having lenses that are sealed, pentax shouldn't forget about the batteries of the camera (, but that is off topic).


And yes, actually I would love to see a test that compares the sealing of different brands.
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I agree with all that was said here with regard to focal length. I live in the Pacific Northwest and we get our share of rain and snow. WR is crucial in the mountains here.

We have a lush rain forest that's beautiful to photograph but extremely wet and cold. Further, I travel to the caribbean and Hawaii which is quite muggy.

Please update the 16-50mm with more reliable SDM.
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More lenses and lenses with WR is needed.
1. DA12-24 could use the WR treatment. The lens really need to become a DA*10-24.
2. The upcoming DA560 needs the WR treatment.
3. DFA*85/1.4
4. DA*135-400
5. TC1.4
6. DA Limited updated with WR.

The SDM needs updated to ring motors.

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I shot some waterpark photos last year with my K-r and a Tamron 17-50 F/2.8 lens. This year I shot the same park but with my K-5 and a rented DA* 16-50mm. What a difference it makes when you don't have to worry about getting the camera splashed! I was even contemplating selling the Tamron to buy the Pentax until the huge price increase put it out of range.

How about a new Pentax 16-50mm F/2.8 lens that's still WR but with the DC motor instead of the SDM? Haven't those DC motors been more reliable so far? And of course cheaper than the current outrageous price for the DA* lens.
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I agree, 16-50 deserves to be DC!
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No, i do not want Pentax to introduce more WR lenses, maybe a few, but not all the ones mentioned.

Why? you may ask. When you add features to lenses, it makes them even more expensive for the added machining and longer assembly times, more parts, etc. I don't think we want Pentax lenses to be the most expensive ones out there.

Right now, i have one WR lens, the 50-135, and when it rains, i put that on. You are not going to want to change lenses in the middle of a rainstorm or a blowing snowstorm. So i think Pentax should confine itself to a few WR zooms and leave it at that. Adding WR to the pancake primes will ruin them - they will end up as large plastic blobs, most likely
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I agree and disagree; there is situation that one lens is all you need like a macro shoot (DFA 100 WR), and landscape (desert, beach,etc) which a wide WR prime is useful.

I do agree that zoom needs more WR such as 12-35, 16-85, 135-400 etc.

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QuoteOriginally posted by philbaum Quote
No, i do not want Pentax to introduce more WR lenses, maybe a few, but not all the ones mentioned.

Why? you may ask. When you add features to lenses, it makes them even more expensive for the added machining and longer assembly times, more parts, etc. I don't think we want Pentax lenses to be the most expensive ones out there.

Right now, i have one WR lens, the 50-135, and when it rains, i put that on. You are not going to want to change lenses in the middle of a rainstorm or a blowing snowstorm. So i think Pentax should confine itself to a few WR zooms and leave it at that. Adding WR to the pancake primes will ruin them - they will end up as large plastic blobs, most likely
I disagree. there is a large outdoor rec market that would like a lightweight WR option. I can hike the whole day with a lens w/o changing or find a covered area to change the lens. At the very least WR the camera/lens interface. Losing a lens would be painful but losing a WR K-5 would be awful.
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I'm still of the opinion that all the lenses should be WR aside from the very entry level primes/zooms. Since the big guys seem headed that way it only makes competitive sense.
While certainly a zoom give flexibility and the ability to avoid a lens change many prime shooters will walk around with just one prime for the day so changing the lens isn't an issue. Lots of street shooters will walk around with a lens between 21-43 as their main lens. none of the primes in that range are WR. sure i could use an 18-55 or a 16-50 but on one I sacrifice iq, on the other I lose the small unobtrusive image a small prime presents on a camera.
I could easily be happy walking around with a 21, 24 or 28 80% of the time myself. 2 of these FL don't even exist in Pentax the third isn't WR and is pretty slow as well (though it is a nice sharp lens for daytime and if I had a K5 it would be ok for night street shooting)
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With all the recent complaints about the Ricoh price hikes for lenses, there's been several posts where pentax lenses have been compared to Nikon or Canon lenses on prices alone. I've yet to see one comment to the effect that that the Pentax lens costs more than the Nikon because its WR.

I understand and respect that folks want WR lenses, i just don't think they want to pay for it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by DeadJohn Quote
The lack of WR primes seems odd. Maybe the extra seals can't fit into the ultracompact primes? I think that WR is more important on a zoom than a prime, anyway, since the zoom action tends to suck in more air.

I would like to see the DA21 WR and a long zoom. The 55-300 WR or maybe the new tele zoom from the lens roadmap.
I think part of the issue is that primes can encourage frequent lens swapping. If you're shooting in the rain you probably don't want to have to open your camera up and expose its innards to all the water that has collected around the mount just to swap in another focal length.
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I want every lens I own in WR. Where I go, it almost doesn't make sense to take a lens unless it's WR.
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QuoteOriginally posted by philbaum Quote
With all the recent complaints about the Ricoh price hikes for lenses, there's been several posts where pentax lenses have been compared to Nikon or Canon lenses on prices alone. I've yet to see one comment to the effect that that the Pentax lens costs more than the Nikon because its WR.

I understand and respect that folks want WR lenses, i just don't think they want to pay for it.
a huge chunk of the Nikon lenses are WR though. Certainly the 18-55 2.8 that is compared to the 16-50 2.8 is. they also have a large number of WR primes. back when it was K10/20 and there was 4-5 Pentax WR lenses they were unique (in apsc at least) but now they lag behind

nikon lenses that are sealed (27 in total including multi versions)

Film/Digital
14-24 f2.8
16-35 f4 VR
24 f1.4 AF-S
24-70 f2.8
24-120 f4VR
28-300 f3.5-5.6 VR
35 f1.4 AF-S
50 f1.4 AF-S
50 f1.8 AF-S
55-300 f4-5.6 VR
70-200 f2.8 (I and II)
85 f1.4 AF-S
200 f2 VR
200-400 f4 VR (I and II)
300 f4VR
400 f2.8 VR
500f4 VR
600f4 VR

DX Digital Only
10-24 f3.5-4.5
12-24 f4
17-55 f2.8
18-200 VR (I and II)
18-70 f3.5-4.5
35 f1.8
60 f2.8 AF-S Micro
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QuoteOriginally posted by eddie1960 Quote
a huge chunk of the Nikon lenses are WR though. Certainly the 18-55 2.8 that is compared to the 16-50 2.8 is. they also have a large number of WR primes. back when it was K10/20 and there was 4-5 Pentax WR lenses they were unique (in apsc at least) but now they lag behind

nikon lenses that are sealed (27 in total including multi versions)

Film/Digital
14-24 f2.8
16-35 f4 VR
24 f1.4 AF-S
24-70 f2.8
24-120 f4VR
28-300 f3.5-5.6 VR
35 f1.4 AF-S
50 f1.4 AF-S
50 f1.8 AF-S
55-300 f4-5.6 VR
70-200 f2.8 (I and II)
85 f1.4 AF-S
200 f2 VR
200-400 f4 VR (I and II)
300 f4VR
400 f2.8 VR
500f4 VR
600f4 VR

DX Digital Only
10-24 f3.5-4.5
12-24 f4
17-55 f2.8
18-200 VR (I and II)
18-70 f3.5-4.5
35 f1.8
60 f2.8 AF-S Micro
I was definitely not aware of this. Do you know if similar is true of Canon?
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