Hi everybody!
I found my old password for the forum and can't resist jumping in.
Carpents mentioned this thread to me. I'm glad he did as I learned a few things from it.
Part 1:
Bokeh, or boke, is derived from Japanese and one of the stories about the word is about a certain style some Japanese painters used to paint fuzzy backgrounds in a manner reminding about the impressionism (you know Chagall and his water-lilies) and their way of just pressing the tip of the brush against the canvas. Those parts of the painting are not sharp but merely there to let the beholder emphasis on the sharp parts and at the same time make for a context.
That story suits me fine, it makes the word understandable. The spelling is not important. It started, in Englsih, as boke. The h was added pretty quickly as it helps with the pronounciation. I don't think there is "right" or "wrong" way to translate phonetic Japanese to English letters. Or maybe there is (I'm neither Japanese nor English -spoken)? Anyway, the most common way to spell bokeh is bokeh. The word is confusing as it is so why not use the most common way to spell it.
When using the word bokeh it replaces the whole phrase
"quality of the out of focus parts of the picture". For example:
The bokeh is good = The quality of the out of focus parts of the picture is good.
or
What do you think about the bokeh? = What do you think about the quality of the out of focus parts of the picture? Not like this:
There is a lot of bokeh in this picture = There is a lot of quality of the out of focus parts of the picture in this picture.
And
not like this:
The DOF is thin, then the bokeh kicks in. = The DOF is thin, then the quality of the out of focus parts of the picture kicks in.
The last sample is from DPR which is a bad place.
Don't repeat such things here...
From the above we can learn that "bokeh" isn't limited to the foreground or the background only. In general we think of the background as it is much more common with backgrounds than foregrounds. When choosing a lens I'm never interested in how it renders the OOF parts of the foreground. (Those that are have an excellent lens in the FA50/1.4.)
What about the bokehmania that hit the forums for a couple of years? Nothing special really. I think many want to use the word, many are seeking ways of expressing themselfs when taking pictures and a lot of experiments are going on now when we don't have to deal with chemical developing (and good photo editors are available). People communicate and pictures can easily be posted.
To me the real thing with the OOF areas are that I want them to just be there. They shall not make the beholder confused. They shall not make the beholder look at other things in the picture. They shall be soft and creamy and literally stick to the background helping the real content of the picture to reach the beholder.
When OOF highlights get green, or get bright rings, it can be distracting. When OOF stuff gets green (due to axial CA) it seldom enhances the picture. When OOF highlights are rendered with odd shapes due to the cat eye's effect it make the beholder to look at it and lose focus. Things going in and out to and from the focus plane should be rendered smoothly, in a way that doesn't keep the brain occupied trying to figure out what it is looking at.
In short; I want the OOF areas not to stand out.
This is valid for 99% or so of all pictures. The last 1% are pictures where the photogrpher seeks odd effects for the sake of it, as when the balls in the Christmas tree makes for funny blobs and such.
Part 2:
Lately the Sony/Minolta 135mm STF lens has been mentioned a lot. I want one. Just as carpents says; it's a reason to buy a Sony camera... that one, and the Zeiss/Minolta version of the 85/1.4.
If you have a 135mm STF collecting dust please let me know! If it is boring it is the right lens for me.
And another thing; I had some mail contact with a guy that has an STF lens fitting to a Nikon. Oh well... All sorts of things can be done. From the Nikon mount it isn't far to a Pentax mount. From either of them one can easily imagine an adapter and suddenly th lens fits a Canon, or an Olympus, as well...
Part 3:
There are a lot of new nicks here since I used to visit! Cool. I like this forum as it is reasonably moderated and free from ads. I enjoyed this thread. All the best to you all from me.
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Jonas
(did you really read all this?)
and a random one:
E-510, Oly kit lens, my last picture of 2007, 1/45 of a second, Yeah! Fireworks... A few hours later it was mty head that exploded.