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joe.penn · 03-29-2012, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by krebsy97

How does it sit with people that Pentax is poised to raise pricing yet hasn't addressed SDM quality concerns?

krebsy75 · 03-29-2012, 03:19 PM

Google "pentax sdm" and take note of what you see on the first page. Do the same for "sigma hsm" and "canon usm".

My findings suggest an engineering debacle for SDM.

Originally posted by Bramela

Debacle? IMHO a rather harsh choice of words, that.

krebsy75 · 03-29-2012, 03:20 PM - **1 Like**

+1

It just better happen.

Originally posted by monochrome

This is another step in Ricoh's plan to expand the reach and market share of the Pentax brand. We cannot on the one hand complain that Pentax USA does nothing, gives horrible service and doesn't support local retailers, and on the other hand complain when Pentax Ricoh Imaging USA advertises for a trade-show and dealer support Rep. and begins to install dealer-support pricing, You can have one or the other. You can't have both.

And you can't have a FF camera without pro local support and service. Add two and Two.

Ricoh has a plan.

krebsy75 · 03-29-2012, 03:21 PM

Adam's poll suggests the problem hasn't been resolved.

Originally posted by Wheatfield

How many SDM failures have you read about in the past half year or so?

joe.penn · 03-29-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by krebsy97

Adam's poll suggests the problem hasn't been resolved.

kenyee · 03-29-2012, 03:28 PM

? I thought most of it was because a plastic part in the 16-50 and the 50-135 weren't glued on properly?
Some people have also had problems w/ the 60-250, but mine has been ok so far.
Still, it's not a real ring motor...just a high frequency micromotor AFAIK...

**monochrome** · 03-29-2012, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by krebsy97

Google "pentax sdm" and take note of what you see on the first page. Do the same for "sigma hsm" and "canon usm".

My findings suggest an engineering debacle for SDM.

No disrespect intended - but we're looking at the past. Look at Ricoh. What are they doing differenty? At some point we'll be convinced that Ricoh is executing thier plan. While we would certainly like to see an announcement or an explanation or some schematics of a change, maybe that's farther down the list of repoutation enhancements than TODAY.

I see a bunch of reviews of new SDM lenses, some Amazon links and a few PF posts from 2009 through October, 2011 - about six months ago.

What do you see?

Ricoh has a plan. It is unfolding. 2012 is a "marshalling" year (as in, "Marshall your Resources"). 2013 is a "delivery" year (as in, "Prove it by Delivering on the Plan.")

Last edited by monochrome; 03-29-2012 at 03:48 PM.

krebsy75 · 03-29-2012, 03:37 PM

I see evidence of SDM issues.

Originally posted by monochrome

I see a bunch of reviews of new SDM lenses, some Amazon links and a few PF posts from 2009 through October, 2011 - about six months ago.

What do you see?

joe.penn · 03-29-2012, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

What do you see?

**monochrome** · 03-29-2012, 03:43 PM

WRT the Big Box strategy, note that Best Buy is closing 50 stores to focus on smaller, more nimble locations focused on phones and tablets. Maybe Ricoh knows what they are doing.

**monochrome** · 03-29-2012, 03:44 PM

Beer or KoolAid? (Of course, if it is KoolAid, who is Jim Jones?)

joe.penn · 03-29-2012, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Beer or KoolAid? (Of course, if it is KoolAid, who is Jim Jones?)

**monochrome** · 03-29-2012, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by krebsy97

I see evidence of SDM issues.

I see Google crawls of complaints about failed SDM motors in the past. Many of them brought to the top of Google spider crawls by our own hits on this website.

But there's no reason to disagree about it - they happened. The question is should we beat a dead horse or encourage PRI to implement their plan?

krebsy75 · 03-29-2012, 03:57 PM

Your positivity is starting to rub off. Thank you for that.

Having invested some coin in K-mount products I'm excited to see what Ricoh has in store for us. My wife and I love their gear and "think different" philosophy. I just think some people (myself included) will be hesitant to spend even more money on glass with suspect SDM mechanisms.

Originally posted by monochrome

No disrespect intended - but we're looking at the past. Look at Ricoh. What are they doing differenty? At some point we'll be convinced that Ricoh is executing thier plan. While we would certainly like to see an announcement or an explanation or some schematics of a change, maybe that's farther down the list of repoutation enhancements than TODAY.

I see a bunch of reviews of new SDM lenses, some Amazon links and a few PF posts from 2009 through October, 2011 - about six months ago.

What do you see?

Ricoh has a plan. It is unfolding. 2012 is a "marshalling" year (as in, "Marshal your Resources"). 2013 is a "delivery" year (as in, "Prove it by Delivering on the Plan.".

joe.penn · 03-29-2012, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by krebsy97

Your positivity is starting to rub off. Thank you for that.

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03-29-2012, 03:14 PM	#16
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by krebsy97 How does it sit with people that Pentax is poised to raise pricing yet hasn't addressed SDM quality concerns?

03-29-2012, 03:19 PM	#17
krebsy75 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chester County, Pa. Posts: 804 Original Poster	Google "pentax sdm" and take note of what you see on the first page. Do the same for "sigma hsm" and "canon usm". My findings suggest an engineering debacle for SDM. Originally posted by Bramela Debacle? IMHO a rather harsh choice of words, that.

03-29-2012, 03:20 PM - 1 Like	#18
krebsy75 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chester County, Pa. Posts: 804 Original Poster	+1 It just better happen. Originally posted by monochrome This is another step in Ricoh's plan to expand the reach and market share of the Pentax brand. We cannot on the one hand complain that Pentax USA does nothing, gives horrible service and doesn't support local retailers, and on the other hand complain when Pentax Ricoh Imaging USA advertises for a trade-show and dealer support Rep. and begins to install dealer-support pricing, You can have one or the other. You can't have both. And you can't have a FF camera without pro local support and service. Add two and Two. Ricoh has a plan.

03-29-2012, 03:21 PM	#19
krebsy75 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chester County, Pa. Posts: 804 Original Poster	Adam's poll suggests the problem hasn't been resolved. Originally posted by Wheatfield How many SDM failures have you read about in the past half year or so?

03-29-2012, 03:24 PM	#20
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by krebsy97 Adam's poll suggests the problem hasn't been resolved.

03-29-2012, 03:28 PM	#21
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	? I thought most of it was because a plastic part in the 16-50 and the 50-135 weren't glued on properly? Some people have also had problems w/ the 60-250, but mine has been ok so far. Still, it's not a real ring motor...just a high frequency micromotor AFAIK...

03-29-2012, 03:30 PM	#22
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by krebsy97 Google "pentax sdm" and take note of what you see on the first page. Do the same for "sigma hsm" and "canon usm". My findings suggest an engineering debacle for SDM. No disrespect intended - but we're looking at the past. Look at Ricoh. What are they doing differenty? At some point we'll be convinced that Ricoh is executing thier plan. While we would certainly like to see an announcement or an explanation or some schematics of a change, maybe that's farther down the list of repoutation enhancements than TODAY. I see a bunch of reviews of new SDM lenses, some Amazon links and a few PF posts from 2009 through October, 2011 - about six months ago. What do you see? Ricoh has a plan. It is unfolding. 2012 is a "marshalling" year (as in, "Marshall your Resources"). 2013 is a "delivery" year (as in, "Prove it by Delivering on the Plan.") Last edited by monochrome; 03-29-2012 at 03:48 PM.

03-29-2012, 03:37 PM	#23
krebsy75 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chester County, Pa. Posts: 804 Original Poster	I see evidence of SDM issues. Originally posted by monochrome I see a bunch of reviews of new SDM lenses, some Amazon links and a few PF posts from 2009 through October, 2011 - about six months ago. What do you see?

03-29-2012, 03:38 PM	#24
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by monochrome What do you see?

03-29-2012, 03:43 PM	#25
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	WRT the Big Box strategy, note that Best Buy is closing 50 stores to focus on smaller, more nimble locations focused on phones and tablets. Maybe Ricoh knows what they are doing.

03-29-2012, 03:44 PM	#26
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Beer or KoolAid? (Of course, if it is KoolAid, who is Jim Jones?)

03-29-2012, 03:45 PM	#27
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by monochrome Beer or KoolAid? (Of course, if it is KoolAid, who is Jim Jones?)

03-29-2012, 03:46 PM	#28
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by krebsy97 I see evidence of SDM issues. I see Google crawls of complaints about failed SDM motors in the past. Many of them brought to the top of Google spider crawls by our own hits on this website. But there's no reason to disagree about it - they happened. The question is should we beat a dead horse or encourage PRI to implement their plan?

03-29-2012, 03:57 PM	#29
krebsy75 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chester County, Pa. Posts: 804 Original Poster	Your positivity is starting to rub off. Thank you for that. Having invested some coin in K-mount products I'm excited to see what Ricoh has in store for us. My wife and I love their gear and "think different" philosophy. I just think some people (myself included) will be hesitant to spend even more money on glass with suspect SDM mechanisms. Originally posted by monochrome No disrespect intended - but we're looking at the past. Look at Ricoh. What are they doing differenty? At some point we'll be convinced that Ricoh is executing thier plan. While we would certainly like to see an announcement or an explanation or some schematics of a change, maybe that's farther down the list of repoutation enhancements than TODAY. I see a bunch of reviews of new SDM lenses, some Amazon links and a few PF posts from 2009 through October, 2011 - about six months ago. What do you see? Ricoh has a plan. It is unfolding. 2012 is a "marshalling" year (as in, "Marshal your Resources"). 2013 is a "delivery" year (as in, "Prove it by Delivering on the Plan.".

03-29-2012, 04:02 PM	#30
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by krebsy97 Your positivity is starting to rub off. Thank you for that.

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