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Well, the ~ $700 +/- has been my level of pain. The DA 12-24/f4 - I missed the rebates several years ago, and there were few found on the Marketplace back then, so acquired new. The other one (yes two so far) was just very recently - a Zeiss 25/f2.8 Distagon ZK, now discontinued - new in box, old new stock. All the other stores had it for almost double the price, and I missed the one on the Marketplace a couple of months ago.....