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04-17-2012, 06:08 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by Blue Quote
the entry level camera that doesn't exist.
Nikon are already there.

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Was that the D or G ?
D. Most gearhead fanbois disagree with me, but I think the D had a presence which the G lacks. I will say I'm basing that on others' photos, since I never owned the G. The G definitely made mechanical improvements, but at the sacrifice of character.
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Nikon are already there.
Given I wouldn't be running the FA 77mm LTD or FA 43mm Ltd on a Nikon body, strawman. Plus, you are talking entry level Nikrap. :dang:
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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
Nikon are already there.
You are painting yourself into a corner now!

04-17-2012, 07:10 PM   #20
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That Zeiss' auto focus
Strawman.
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Strawman.
Not for Sony.
04-17-2012, 07:24 PM   #22
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Not for Sony.
The lens in question was the ZK 35/2.
04-17-2012, 07:27 PM   #23
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QuoteOriginally posted by nirVaan Quote
hi guys

just wondering how would the FA ltd stack up against the best lenses of other brands regard to sharpness, bokeh, contrast etc......


thankz

Nothing else out there quite compares to the 77, and the first lens I'll re-buy when Pentax delivers a FF body is the 43.










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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
The lens in question was the ZK 35/2.
There are no Zeiss lens that correspond exactly to the FA ltd lenses. The focal lengths are unique, 31mm, 43mm, and 77mm. The ZK 35/2 is a nice lens. It is manual focus and ~ $950 new. However, for mf lens close to that 31mm focal length, I prefer the K 28/2. There are other ZK lenses including the 100mm macro and 50mm macro but of course manual focus. Even with the elevated prices, the Zeiss ZK manual focus option is expensive.

However, Sony does have some auto focus Zeiss

85/1.4 T

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=105...uctId=11039068

They also have the Zeiss 135/1.8

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=105...uctId=11040962

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QuoteOriginally posted by Giklab Quote
Come on man, you're comparing with Zeiss?
Oh yes, most other brands don't have such primes.

I would. I have a Leica rangefinder (11f) with a Leitz lens. I'm very familiar with Leica and Leitz lenses.

But, back in the '80's I had a Leica M4 with 35mm, 50mm and 90 mm Leitz lenses for a long weekend.

I took a lot of pictures and I also did a comparison shoot, using my Pentax ES 11 and Takumar lenses of similar focal length.

I took pictures, using the same subject, same lighting, same time with both Pentax and Leica.

I blew the pictures up to 8 X 10 and frankly, neither I or my friend (Nikon owner) could tell which picture was taken by either Pentax or Leica.

Maybe there might of been discernible differences at larger enlargements....but as I didn't enlarge beyond 8 X 10, I'll never know.

But I do this from experience....top Takumar or Pentax lenses do not take a back seat to other manufacturer's lenses.
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QuoteOriginally posted by lesmore49 Quote
I would. I have a Leica rangefinder (11f) with a Leitz lens. I'm very familiar with Leica and Leitz lenses.

But, back in the '80's I had a Leica M4 with 35mm, 50mm and 90 mm Leitz lenses for a long weekend.

I took a lot of pictures and I also did a comparison shoot, using my Pentax ES 11 and Takumar lenses of similar focal length.

I took pictures, using the same subject, same lighting, same time with both Pentax and Leica.

I blew the pictures up to 8 X 10 and frankly, neither I or my friend (Nikon owner) could tell which picture was taken by either Pentax or Leica.

Maybe there might of been discernible differences at larger enlargements....but as I didn't enlarge beyond 8 X 10, I'll never know.

But I do this from experience....top Takumar or Pentax lenses do not take a back seat to other manufacturer's lenses.

Pentax made a SMC 43mm-L Special for Leica L with a matching optical view finder. The lens was obviously manual focus but had the FA 43mm LTD optics.
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For me:

31: A bit dreamy wide open, bokeh beyond reproach for sure, bitingly sharp stopped down, moderate CA/fringing. Not really anything like it from any other brand. (I do like Samyang's 35/1.4, and there are a lot of other nice 35/1.4s, but not many others around the 30mm mark.)
43: Very sharp from wide open, lowest CA/fringing of all of the FA Limiteds, nice and small. My favorite FA. Not really anything like it from any other brand. So good they made it in Leica mount.
77: The sharpest of the three wide open, the worst CA/fringing, superb bokeh. An ideal portrait lens, but the DA 70 gets you 90% of the magic for nearly half the price. My Samyang 85/1.4 is even sharper (on FF) at 1.4 than the 77 is at 1.8, but it doesn't get as sharp stopping down.

To be honest, I probably would have sold the 31 and 77 by now (along with my A50/1.2) if not for the hope of a FF Pentax dSLR. Not because they aren't great lenses, but because there are APS-C only candidates that can do most of what these guys do for a lot cheaper.
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QuoteOriginally posted by deadwolfbones Quote
For me:

31: A bit dreamy wide open, bokeh beyond reproach for sure, bitingly sharp stopped down, moderate CA/fringing. Not really anything like it from any other brand. (I do like Samyang's 35/1.4, and there are a lot of other nice 35/1.4s, but not many others around the 30mm mark.)
43: Very sharp from wide open, lowest CA/fringing of all of the FA Limiteds, nice and small. My favorite FA. Not really anything like it from any other brand. So good they made it in Leica mount.
77: The sharpest of the three wide open, the worst CA/fringing, superb bokeh. An ideal portrait lens, but the DA 70 gets you 90% of the magic for nearly half the price. My Samyang 85/1.4 is even sharper (on FF) at 1.4 than the 77 is at 1.8, but it doesn't get as sharp stopping down.

To be honest, I probably would have sold the 31 and 77 by now (along with my A50/1.2) if not for the hope of a FF Pentax dSLR. Not because they aren't great lenses, but because there are APS-C only candidates that can do most of what these guys do for a lot cheaper.
DA70 is currently priced about the same as FA77. Before the price increase, FA77 costed only a bit more than DA70 (around $200).

Before Ricoh's face palm moment, one could make a case for DA limited due to their reasonable pricing; now, it would be stupid to choose DA over FA if you want the best image/rendering quality.
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DA70 is currently priced about the same as FA77. Before the price increase, FA77 costed only a bit more than DA70 (around $200).

Before Ricoh's face palm moment, one could make a case for DA limited due to their reasonable pricing; now, it would be stupid to choose DA over FA if you want the best image/rendering quality.
Keep in mind that the DA70 (in my personal experience) has substantially less CA wide open (granted, it's half a stop or whatever slower) and is actually sharper than the FA77 according to several tests.

On the used market it's still quite a bit cheaper than the 77, too.
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Keep in mind that the DA70 (in my personal experience) has substantially less CA wide open (granted, it's half a stop or whatever slower) and is actually sharper than the FA77 according to several tests.

On the used market it's still quite a bit cheaper than the 77, too.
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