Take the pledge - No new Pentax lens purchases

cali92rs · 04-19-2012, 08:44 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Blue

I didn't run down Canon's dealer net work. Here in Tallahassee is simple, Best Buy and they have how much of the slr market?

Most don't even when they have visited either NY or Los Angeles. Plus, I wasn't talking about sparseness of population but the number of population centers spread out all over the country. Denver is 1700 miles one way driving to NY City. But San Diego to NYC is ~ 2x that. Then look at Miami as a city and as a metro area compared to Seattle, Washington. Those are high population density areas and they are far apart. Through in San Juan, Puerto Rico or Honolulu or Alaska and it is even farther although there is no really dense population areas in Alaska or Maine. Even San Diego and San Francisco are in the same state and they are about 500 miles apart. That is a similar thing for me here in the state Capital of Florida and Miami. The U.S. and Europe would actually be a better comparison than Australia. With Europe and the U.S.A. the best way to compare them is to look at each State like you would a country in Europe.

Here are some population centers these cities are centered in areas with over 1 million people. The ones in bold may have a B&M with Pentax in them other than maybe a K-r body.

Atlanta
Miami
Nashville
Jacksonville
Tampa-Clearwater-St Pete
Memphis
Kansas City
St Louis
Denver (but don't bet on it)
Houston
Dallas
Pittsburg
Philadelphia
Baltimore
Washington, DC-Beltway
Boston
NYC
Chicago
Louisville
Cincinnati
Minneapolis-St. Paul
Phoenix
San Diego
Los Angeles-Anaheim-Long Beach-Burbank-Pasadena
San Francisco-Oakland
Sacramento
Portland
Seattle

Hmmm...I've lived in LA for 27 years of my life and I never ran into a Pentax in any B&M store. Which store had one? Maybe Fry's?

We have plenty of Targets and Wal-Marts around, but they sure as hell wont be stocking a 1500-2000 dollar lens.

Best Buy is on its last legs.

About the only B&M stores that would realistically stock these lenses in SoCal are Ritz and Fry's.
So a customer walks into one of the handful of Ritz and Fry's around and he wants to check out some cameras and lenses. Why in God's Green Earth would he choose to buy a Pentax for these prices?
And then that brings us to the second point, why would these stores want to carry the Pentax lenses to begin with? They are in the business of making money too, and they only make money by moving product.

Blue · 04-19-2012, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by cali92rs

Hmmm...I've lived in LA for 27 years of my life and I never ran into a Pentax in any B&M store. Which store had one? Maybe Fry's?

We have plenty of Targets and Wal-Marts around, but they sure as hell wont be stocking a 1500-2000 dollar lens.

Best Buy is on its last legs.

About the only B&M stores that would realistically stock these lenses in SoCal are Ritz and Fry's.
So a customer walks into one of the handful of Ritz and Fry's around and he wants to check out some cameras and lenses. Why in God's Green Earth would he choose to buy a Pentax for these prices?
And then that brings us to the second point, why would these stores want to carry the Pentax lenses to begin with? They are in the business of making money too, and they only make money by moving product.

I started a thread to update and track that list. The LA metro area can be revised with input from Javier and a couple of people there. What about San Diego? I don't remember any the last couple of times I was there.

sunny16 · 04-19-2012, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

Thanks. I, for one, believe you have every right to spend your money as you see fit as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. Interseting that somehow your B&M store has stayed in business, sold at closer to MSRP, and has a full line of Pentax gear. I genuinely wonder if this new MSRP mandate will help or hurt them?

Good question... time will tell. I would say that I have no allusions about B&M. I'm sure most of this particular stores business is Canon / Nikon and honestly, I am guessing the only reason they have stuck with selling Pentax is because the owner is a fan. It's a pretty decent sized store compared to what I've seen and they also rent gear. I would be a little surprised to see them go out of business at this point just because they don't have a whole lot of competition left as far as brick and mortar goes. They always seem to be busy when I'm there. In theory I'd like to see both online and B&M continue to be viable somehow as I think it's nice to have the option.

RioRico · 04-19-2012, 10:40 PM

Back to the pledge: It's silly and possibly counter-productive, more likely ineffectual.

I mentioned early on that it don't matter to me 'cause I can't afford any anyway. But suppose I could? I can say that if I *needed* to buy new Pentax gear, I would, regardless of price. Otherwise, I won't buy *any* new gear just to play with it, just to have it. I have plenty of gear already and don't need more just for the sake of having it. Well, maybe a K01+DA40XS kit...

mikeSF · 04-19-2012, 10:51 PM

sorry, but this pledge is absurd.

Barnster · 04-20-2012, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by selar

Yeah why do Aussies have to worry when Hong Kong beckons! T-Dimension is selling K5 bodies for $890 now, and they ship faster than US. Ordered on Friday, got it on Monday! I made an effort to buy from a local Bricks & Mortar shop in early November last year, but was told I would have to wait till after Christmas.

Pentax : T-Dimension, Your Online Store of DSLR, Digital Camera, Lens & Photography Accessories

I have noticed that K5 prices have dropped a bit,but lenses on there own,you still need to sell an arm and a leg to own one.But then,you look at Nikon and Canon lens prices,and you can't say there cheap to buy either.

selar · 04-20-2012, 03:14 AM

Originally posted by Barnster

I have noticed that K5 prices have dropped a bit,but lenses on there own,you still need to sell an arm and a leg to own one.But then,you look at Nikon and Canon lens prices,and you can't say there cheap to buy either

You are right, our LBA days appear to be numbered. Atleast, I made hay while the sun shone, I have all the lenses I could want and then some. The only lens I could possibly have bought is the 60-250, but I suspect I would never have bought that one anyway, f4 is so meh!

djc737 · 04-20-2012, 04:10 AM

Originally posted by selar

You are right, our LBA days appear to be numbered. Atleast, I made hay while the sun shone, I have all the lenses I could want and then some. The only lens I could possibly have bought is the 60-250, but I suspect I would never have bought that one anyway, f4 is so meh!

Pretty much the same here. I have all the lenses I will ever need with the exception of the 560mm to be released. That purchase will depend on revues as I have a Tamron Adaptall 400mm f4 plus some TCs that work well for me now. So maybe no future purchases.

selar · 04-20-2012, 04:28 AM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

I will probably go out tomorrow and buy a new Pentax lens from my local camera store just to spite some of the posters in this thread, so FU. thanks

Sure, to you, its just a bigger tax deduction!

Clavius · 04-20-2012, 04:45 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Docrwm

Thanks for your input. You're wrong but you're entitled to be wrong and have a say. BTW, coming into a thread like this and saying "BTW, I a few days ago I ordered a new Pentax Limited lens." is the functional equivalent of saying FU. Thanks.

So, we're not allowed to say which lenses we bought, because it hurts someones feelings? Maybe that's the problem of those someones then? They're the ones who made a non-issue into a personal drama.

I'm going shopping for a DA15ltd this weekend. And no, I do certainly not mean to say FU with that. It's merely a fact.

**NaClH2O** · 04-20-2012, 04:55 AM

Originally posted by RioRico

Back to the pledge: It's silly and possibly counter-productive, more likely ineffectual.

I mentioned early on that it don't matter to me 'cause I can't afford any anyway. But suppose I could? I can say that if I *needed* to buy new Pentax gear, I would, regardless of price. Otherwise, I won't buy *any* new gear just to play with it, just to have it. I have plenty of gear already and don't need more just for the sake of having it. Well, maybe a K01+DA40XS kit...

RR, I couldn't agree more, except I want a Q first...

NaCl(but I guess it makes them feel good...there's nothing quite like self-rightous indignation)H2O

Docrwm · 04-20-2012, 05:15 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

So, we're not allowed to say which lenses we bought, because it hurts someones feelings? Maybe that's the problem of those someones then? They're the ones who made a non-issue into a personal drama.

I'm going shopping for a DA15ltd this weekend. And no, I do certainly not mean to say FU with that. It's merely a fact.

Thanks. So many seem to love twisting words, it's quite amazing. I have said repeatedly that what others do is their own business. However, I don't go around telling others the quality of my bowels as that is rude. Equally rude is coming into a thread talking about stopping purchases because you are trying to influence a wrong-headed policy and announcing, with no meaningful contribution to the discussion, that you've just purchased a lens.

If you do not mean to say FU, they why announce such a fact here and now? I certainly hope that you find a lens that you like at a good price and would probably had said so if you had posted that announcement elsewhere, but doing so here is merely a poke in the eye to those of us who believe, genuinely, that Pentax has made both wrong decisions and insulted us as their customers. I believe that such a post is just as blatantly rude as coming into someone's announcement of their happy purchase and saying "That X is a POS, and here is why!"

altopiet · 04-20-2012, 05:32 AM

Robert, I think I've said about as much as I want about the subject, but seeing how many posts you've made, you should have known, or at least have anticipated the reactions before starting the thread

Docrwm · 04-20-2012, 05:34 AM

Originally posted by altopiet

Robert, I think I've said about as much as I want about the subject, but seeing how many posts you've made, you should have known, or at least have anticipated the reactions before starting the thread

Frankly, the vehemence of the Anti-American posts was quite shocking. The degree of "Pentax can not do any wrong and you are XYZ for saying they've made a pig's breakfast of the whole thing" also has shocked me. I thought Pentaxians were contrarians and not Fanboys but I was clearly mistaken with regard to far more members than I would have ever imagined.

Clavius · 04-20-2012, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by Docrwm

Frankly, the vehemence of the Anti-American posts was quite shocking. The degree of "Pentax can not do any wrong and you are XYZ for saying they've made a pig's breakfast of the who thing" also has shocked me. I thought Pentaxians were contrarians and not Fanboys but I was clearly mistaken with regard to far more members than I would have ever imagined.

It has nothing to do with fanboyism. At least, not in my case. Pentax has done quite a lot of things wrong... (Not to mention VERY wrong.) But this isn't one of them.

And I just re-read the entire thread, but couldn't find any anti-American posts from anybody here.

04-20-2012, 05:34 AM	#224
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285 Original Poster	Originally posted by altopiet Robert, I think I've said about as much as I want about the subject, but seeing how many posts you've made, you should have known, or at least have anticipated the reactions before starting the thread Frankly, the vehemence of the Anti-American posts was quite shocking. The degree of "Pentax can not do any wrong and you are XYZ for saying they've made a pig's breakfast of the whole thing" also has shocked me. I thought Pentaxians were contrarians and not Fanboys but I was clearly mistaken with regard to far more members than I would have ever imagined. Last edited by Docrwm; 04-20-2012 at 05:45 AM.

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04-19-2012, 08:44 PM - 1 Like	#211
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by Blue I didn't run down Canon's dealer net work. Here in Tallahassee is simple, Best Buy and they have how much of the slr market? Most don't even when they have visited either NY or Los Angeles. Plus, I wasn't talking about sparseness of population but the number of population centers spread out all over the country. Denver is 1700 miles one way driving to NY City. But San Diego to NYC is ~ 2x that. Then look at Miami as a city and as a metro area compared to Seattle, Washington. Those are high population density areas and they are far apart. Through in San Juan, Puerto Rico or Honolulu or Alaska and it is even farther although there is no really dense population areas in Alaska or Maine. Even San Diego and San Francisco are in the same state and they are about 500 miles apart. That is a similar thing for me here in the state Capital of Florida and Miami. The U.S. and Europe would actually be a better comparison than Australia. With Europe and the U.S.A. the best way to compare them is to look at each State like you would a country in Europe. Here are some population centers these cities are centered in areas with over 1 million people. The ones in bold may have a B&M with Pentax in them other than maybe a K-r body. Atlanta Miami Nashville Jacksonville Tampa-Clearwater-St Pete Memphis Kansas City St Louis Denver (but don't bet on it) Houston Dallas Pittsburg Philadelphia Baltimore Washington, DC-Beltway Boston NYC Chicago Louisville Cincinnati Minneapolis-St. Paul Phoenix San Diego Los Angeles-Anaheim-Long Beach-Burbank-Pasadena San Francisco-Oakland Sacramento Portland Seattle Hmmm...I've lived in LA for 27 years of my life and I never ran into a Pentax in any B&M store. Which store had one? Maybe Fry's? We have plenty of Targets and Wal-Marts around, but they sure as hell wont be stocking a 1500-2000 dollar lens. Best Buy is on its last legs. About the only B&M stores that would realistically stock these lenses in SoCal are Ritz and Fry's. So a customer walks into one of the handful of Ritz and Fry's around and he wants to check out some cameras and lenses. Why in God's Green Earth would he choose to buy a Pentax for these prices? And then that brings us to the second point, why would these stores want to carry the Pentax lenses to begin with? They are in the business of making money too, and they only make money by moving product.

04-19-2012, 08:52 PM	#212
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by cali92rs Hmmm...I've lived in LA for 27 years of my life and I never ran into a Pentax in any B&M store. Which store had one? Maybe Fry's? We have plenty of Targets and Wal-Marts around, but they sure as hell wont be stocking a 1500-2000 dollar lens. Best Buy is on its last legs. About the only B&M stores that would realistically stock these lenses in SoCal are Ritz and Fry's. So a customer walks into one of the handful of Ritz and Fry's around and he wants to check out some cameras and lenses. Why in God's Green Earth would he choose to buy a Pentax for these prices? And then that brings us to the second point, why would these stores want to carry the Pentax lenses to begin with? They are in the business of making money too, and they only make money by moving product. I started a thread to update and track that list. The LA metro area can be revised with input from Javier and a couple of people there. What about San Diego? I don't remember any the last couple of times I was there.

04-19-2012, 09:42 PM	#213
sunny16 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Maryland, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 309	Originally posted by Docrwm Thanks. I, for one, believe you have every right to spend your money as you see fit as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. Interseting that somehow your B&M store has stayed in business, sold at closer to MSRP, and has a full line of Pentax gear. I genuinely wonder if this new MSRP mandate will help or hurt them? Good question... time will tell. I would say that I have no allusions about B&M. I'm sure most of this particular stores business is Canon / Nikon and honestly, I am guessing the only reason they have stuck with selling Pentax is because the owner is a fan. It's a pretty decent sized store compared to what I've seen and they also rent gear. I would be a little surprised to see them go out of business at this point just because they don't have a whole lot of competition left as far as brick and mortar goes. They always seem to be busy when I'm there. In theory I'd like to see both online and B&M continue to be viable somehow as I think it's nice to have the option.

04-19-2012, 10:40 PM	#214
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Back to the pledge: It's silly and possibly counter-productive, more likely ineffectual. I mentioned early on that it don't matter to me 'cause I can't afford any anyway. But suppose I could? I can say that if I needed to buy new Pentax gear, I would, regardless of price. Otherwise, I won't buy any new gear just to play with it, just to have it. I have plenty of gear already and don't need more just for the sake of having it. Well, maybe a K01+DA40XS kit...

04-19-2012, 10:51 PM	#215
mikeSF Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Bay Area, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,620	sorry, but this pledge is absurd.

04-20-2012, 01:13 AM	#216
Barnster Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Mid North Coast,Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,016	Originally posted by selar Yeah why do Aussies have to worry when Hong Kong beckons! T-Dimension is selling K5 bodies for $890 now, and they ship faster than US. Ordered on Friday, got it on Monday! I made an effort to buy from a local Bricks & Mortar shop in early November last year, but was told I would have to wait till after Christmas. Pentax : T-Dimension, Your Online Store of DSLR, Digital Camera, Lens & Photography Accessories I have noticed that K5 prices have dropped a bit,but lenses on there own,you still need to sell an arm and a leg to own one.But then,you look at Nikon and Canon lens prices,and you can't say there cheap to buy either.

04-20-2012, 03:14 AM	#217
selar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,042	Originally posted by Barnster I have noticed that K5 prices have dropped a bit,but lenses on there own,you still need to sell an arm and a leg to own one.But then,you look at Nikon and Canon lens prices,and you can't say there cheap to buy either You are right, our LBA days appear to be numbered. Atleast, I made hay while the sun shone, I have all the lenses I could want and then some. The only lens I could possibly have bought is the 60-250, but I suspect I would never have bought that one anyway, f4 is so meh!

04-20-2012, 04:10 AM	#218
djc737 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: South jersey outside of Philly Posts: 281	Originally posted by selar You are right, our LBA days appear to be numbered. Atleast, I made hay while the sun shone, I have all the lenses I could want and then some. The only lens I could possibly have bought is the 60-250, but I suspect I would never have bought that one anyway, f4 is so meh! Pretty much the same here. I have all the lenses I will ever need with the exception of the 560mm to be released. That purchase will depend on revues as I have a Tamron Adaptall 400mm f4 plus some TCs that work well for me now. So maybe no future purchases.

04-20-2012, 04:28 AM	#219
selar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,042	Originally posted by Wheatfield I will probably go out tomorrow and buy a new Pentax lens from my local camera store just to spite some of the posters in this thread, so FU. thanks Sure, to you, its just a bigger tax deduction!

04-20-2012, 04:45 AM - 1 Like	#220
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Docrwm Thanks for your input. You're wrong but you're entitled to be wrong and have a say. BTW, coming into a thread like this and saying "BTW, I a few days ago I ordered a new Pentax Limited lens." is the functional equivalent of saying FU. Thanks. So, we're not allowed to say which lenses we bought, because it hurts someones feelings? Maybe that's the problem of those someones then? They're the ones who made a non-issue into a personal drama. I'm going shopping for a DA15ltd this weekend. And no, I do certainly not mean to say FU with that. It's merely a fact.

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04-20-2012, 04:55 AM	#221
NaClH2O Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bronx NY Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,631	Originally posted by RioRico Back to the pledge: It's silly and possibly counter-productive, more likely ineffectual. I mentioned early on that it don't matter to me 'cause I can't afford any anyway. But suppose I could? I can say that if I needed to buy new Pentax gear, I would, regardless of price. Otherwise, I won't buy any new gear just to play with it, just to have it. I have plenty of gear already and don't need more just for the sake of having it. Well, maybe a K01+DA40XS kit... RR, I couldn't agree more, except I want a Q first... NaCl(but I guess it makes them feel good...there's nothing quite like self-rightous indignation)H2O

04-20-2012, 05:15 AM	#222
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285 Original Poster	Originally posted by Clavius So, we're not allowed to say which lenses we bought, because it hurts someones feelings? Maybe that's the problem of those someones then? They're the ones who made a non-issue into a personal drama. I'm going shopping for a DA15ltd this weekend. And no, I do certainly not mean to say FU with that. It's merely a fact. Thanks. So many seem to love twisting words, it's quite amazing. I have said repeatedly that what others do is their own business. However, I don't go around telling others the quality of my bowels as that is rude. Equally rude is coming into a thread talking about stopping purchases because you are trying to influence a wrong-headed policy and announcing, with no meaningful contribution to the discussion, that you've just purchased a lens. If you do not mean to say FU, they why announce such a fact here and now? I certainly hope that you find a lens that you like at a good price and would probably had said so if you had posted that announcement elsewhere, but doing so here is merely a poke in the eye to those of us who believe, genuinely, that Pentax has made both wrong decisions and insulted us as their customers. I believe that such a post is just as blatantly rude as coming into someone's announcement of their happy purchase and saying "That X is a POS, and here is why!"

04-20-2012, 05:32 AM	#223
altopiet Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: The Gem of the Karoo, South Africa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,307	Robert, I think I've said about as much as I want about the subject, but seeing how many posts you've made, you should have known, or at least have anticipated the reactions before starting the thread

04-20-2012, 05:50 AM	#225
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Docrwm Frankly, the vehemence of the Anti-American posts was quite shocking. The degree of "Pentax can not do any wrong and you are XYZ for saying they've made a pig's breakfast of the who thing" also has shocked me. I thought Pentaxians were contrarians and not Fanboys but I was clearly mistaken with regard to far more members than I would have ever imagined. It has nothing to do with fanboyism. At least, not in my case. Pentax has done quite a lot of things wrong... (Not to mention VERY wrong.) But this isn't one of them. And I just re-read the entire thread, but couldn't find any anti-American posts from anybody here.