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04-18-2012, 08:51 PM   #1
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Did the Zeiss Lens the Russians copied have a Swirly Bokeh?

Is the swirly bokeh trait of the Helios 44-2 (etc) only in the Russian copies of the Zeiss lenses, or did what they copied have it also?

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TBH. I don't know if all the originals had it but it would make sense if they had the same optical formula I guess. As for the swirly bokeh, I've seen it from numerous other lens brands as well, including; Rokkor, Olympus, Canon etc. But the Helios and Biotar lenses certainly stand-out for this it seems.
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An historical note: Soviets didn't exactly 'copy' any Zeiss designs. Rather, as part of post-WW2 reparations, the Sovs just packed up some Zeiss factories and shipped them east. Factories; tools; materials; workers; every damn thing they could grab. Stuffed things and peoples into locked boxcars and rolled them to Ukraine mostly. Some of the boxcars got lost, ended up on side tracks, still filled with things and peoples, still locked. Ugh. But enough boxcars reached Ukraine for the Sovs to build a nice optics industry. Not Zeiss 'copies' -- the real thing -- just not with quite the same level of quality control.
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QuoteOriginally posted by geekette Quote
Is the swirly bokeh trait of the Helios 44-2 (etc) only in the Russian copies of the Zeiss lenses, or did what they copied have it also?
You mean the Biotar 58/2? You could probably do a search on Flickr and check. I did a quick one and I believe that the answer is yes:
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 58mm f2, 17 Bleads | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 58mm f2, 17 Blades | Flickr - Photo Sharing!


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QuoteOriginally posted by RioRico Quote
But enough boxcars reached Ukraine for the Sovs to build a nice optics industry.
This is pretty much how I understand it as well. The Soviets wanted two things from Zeiss. Lens manufacturing and coating technologies. Think periscopes, gunsights, and bombsights. The consumer optics and cameras were a nice thing too and we benefit from them now in that they made a ton of them! Literally millions of FEDs and Zorkis with very nice Jupiter-8 50/2 lenses in LTM mount. Ditto for Helios 44 variants mounted to Zenits.

So, if one runs across a Biotar 58/2 in decent condition at a decent price, by all means buy it! But in the mean time, pick up a Helios. 90% of the bang for 20% of the buck.


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