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05-07-2012, 11:21 AM   #16
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In Europe, the Samyang is also sold by Foto Walser under its own brand Walimex pro.

That's the offer of their English speaking site

walimex pro Weitwinkelobjek. 14/2,8 Pentax/Samsung

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i've bought some 50 lenses and only two did I buy new. The rest came from the marketplace here or craigslist. All good experiences and i know i've saved several hundred dollars along the way.
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If you don't mind using a fully manual lens, the Tokina/Vivitar 1:3.5 17 mm might be an option. It's not that pricey ($ 100-150) and it produces decent images. Especially if you're not sure if you need a wide angle lens, it's a good starting point.
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Samyang 14 is a bargain compared to the other ultrawide primes. Lack of autofocus isn't that important because everything between some short distance and infinity should be in focus anyway. Size may or may not be an issue.

That said, if you really want the DA 15, then save up for it and get it. Otherwise, you'll just long for it and end up buying it six months down the line anyway.

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I suggested the Samyang based on the prices I see here as available in Aus - that link to the German store and the price they charge for their own-branded version made me take a step back! I think I picked up my second-hand DA14 for the current equivalent of that price (that was three years ago), and, of course, it has AF. Even though I like my DA14 for its size and IQ, I wouldn't lightly dismiss a good 2nd-hand DA14.
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With a budget of around UK£150 / US$220, options wider than 20mm are very limited. The widest is indeed the Zenitar 16/2.8 (AOV equivalent to 12mm). Usual price is around US$200 but one sold here a couple weeks ago for around US$125. Glass not quite so wide is rather cheaper. My Tokina-made (badged as Vivitar, Soligor, Lentar, etc) 21/3.8 is quite sharp and goes for under US$100. My latest favorite is a Vivitar-Cosina Series 1 19-35/3.5-4.5 and cost US$35. But the terms wide-cheap-good are mutually exclusive.
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