I'm going to need to spend a lot, aren't I?

eddie1960 · 05-22-2012, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Buschmaster

My 40mm does just fine for indoors. If I got another indoor lens it would be a normal zoom. Something like the 17-50 or 17-70 range.

From what I've been reading, I think the best one for me may be the Sigma 70-200mm HSM OS HD IX PO MN OA LMNOP, I just need to find one at a reasonable price.

that's a very nice lens (though reasonable is not one of the terms I would describe it with)

Buschmaster · 05-22-2012, 11:36 AM

Ha! Ain't that the truth. I would HAVE to find it used and it would have to be a good deal.

But it's AF is really a ton faster than the Tamron or Pentax isn't it? That's what basically everything I was reading said, and that's kinda the main thing I'm looking for in this particular lens purchase.

sterretje · 05-22-2012, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Buschmaster

My 40mm does just fine for indoors.

Sorry, forgot about that. But then you don't need to worry about the 50mm of the 50-135

(or even 70mm of the 70-200).

eddie1960 · 05-22-2012, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Buschmaster

Ha! Ain't that the truth. I would HAVE to find it used and it would have to be a good deal.

But it's AF is really a ton faster than the Tamron or Pentax isn't it? That's what basically everything I was reading said, and that's kinda the main thing I'm looking for in this particular lens purchase.

If I was going to continue doing the Event coverage I was doing it would actually be at the top of my list (to supplement my 24-70, second on my list would be upgrading the 24-70 to the hsm unit (and bot are FF so it covers future use) the 12-24 has been on my list for some time as well (i was waiting for the wr version they released in canikon sigma mount that is supposed to come in Pentax sooner or later)
Since scaling back the event coverage though i find myself shooting primes almost exclusively, so my priority list is changing (I have lot's of primes but none aside from the DA14 are af)

Buschmaster · 05-22-2012, 12:04 PM

I just remembered the old camera and lens archive collection I have at my disposal...

Ok, so I have...

Tamron SP 35-210 1:3.5-4.2
Tamron SP 28-80 1:3.5-4.2
Tamron SP 28-135 1:4-4.5

All Adaptall 2 lenses in good condition, with filters on them even. Unfortunately I don't have the Adaptall 2-> K-Mount, but it may be worth getting. Then I can practice with these manual focus babies for a little while.

eddie1960 · 05-22-2012, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Buschmaster

I just remembered the old camera and lens archive collection I have at my disposal...

Ok, so I have...

Tamron SP 35-210 1:3.5-4.2
Tamron SP 28-80 1:3.5-4.2
Tamron SP 28-135 1:4-4.5

All Adaptall 2 lenses in good condition, with filters on them even. Unfortunately I don't have the Adaptall 2-> K-Mount, but it may be worth getting. Then I can practice with these manual focus babies for a little while.

Well manual focus won't likely help with focus speed lol, but it may stave off the urger to spend big bucks for a while
there are a couple on fleabay in the $80- $100 range (original adaptall are half that but no A position)

Buschmaster · 05-22-2012, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by eddie1960

Well manual focus won't likely help with focus speed lol, but it may stave off the urger to spend big bucks for a while
there are a couple on fleabay in the $80- $100 range (original adaptall are half that but no A position)

Oh I definitely know that, but it may help me improve while using MF. At $80-$100 it'd be cheaper to just find another MF lens, though.

eddie1960 · 05-22-2012, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Buschmaster

Oh I definitely know that, but it may help me improve while using MF. At $80-$100 it'd be cheaper to just find another MF lens, though.

yeah but try and find 3 for that price

Buschmaster · 05-22-2012, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by eddie1960

yeah but try and find 3 for that price

Well, sure. But really only the one could fulfill the purpose I want it to.

The other two are somewhat redundant in my line-up.

hoanpham · 05-22-2012, 02:57 PM

I have the tamron af 90/2.8 macro and use it alot as multi purpose. Also the sigma 105/2.8 af macro as same use. Both are plastic build, but cheap and good. I like the tamron better, may be i am used 85 focal, but 105 is a bit tight, while 90 covers half portraits with 2-3 steps closer. Both has limit focus switch, screw drive, ok outdoor use. Both are cheaper the da100 macro.

Buschmaster · 05-22-2012, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by hoanpham

I have the tamron af 90/2.8 macro and use it alot as multi purpose. Also the sigma 105/2.8 af macro as same use. Both are plastic build, but cheap and good. I like the tamron better, may be i am used 85 focal, but 105 is a bit tight, while 90 covers half portraits with 2-3 steps closer. Both has limit focus switch, screw drive, ok outdoor use. Both are cheaper the da100 macro.

In your experience how much does the focus limiter actually help with AF speed?

**ramseybuckeye** · 05-22-2012, 06:32 PM

I have the K20D and D FA 100/2.8 WR and have used it to shoot indoor soccer once. Unfortunately I was on the net side which makes autofocus difficult. I used it at 2.8 and it was fast enough. The autofocus is slow but I have learned with quick shift lenses that you can get close using QS then nail it with the AF. Of course it is a WR lens. Of course the focal length you need to use for sports depends on where you can get in relation to the field. What's the sport?, if you are shooting a particular player what position do they play? Good luck in finding that Sigma 70-200/2.8 at a good price? I'm thinking of a 70-200 now, I'll probably go Tamron since I can get a new one with a long warranty. I've used Optec Rainsleeves successfully before.

Buschmaster · 05-22-2012, 07:04 PM

I'm not even sure the Tamron is slow, it's just that everything I read about the Sigma talked about just how fast it really is. Perhaps the Tamron at a fair price would be good.

I'm going back and forth so much, not entirely sure what the best solution for me would be. I mean, I do know what I want, it's just if my bank account wants me to have it

**ramseybuckeye** · 05-22-2012, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Buschmaster

I'm not even sure the Tamron is slow, it's just that everything I read about the Sigma talked about just how fast it really is. Perhaps the Tamron at a fair price would be good.

I'm going back and forth so much, not entirely sure what the best solution for me would be. I mean, I do know what I want, it's just if my bank account wants me to have it

I know what you mean.

hoanpham · 05-22-2012, 09:51 PM

With focus limiter, focus speed is at least double. The close distance is about double focus throw. I rather say three time faster with limiter for a normal portrait. Both sigma and tamron has same speed. Half portrait, i use f4-5.6 to give background context. For objects, f8.

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05-22-2012, 11:29 AM	#16
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by Buschmaster My 40mm does just fine for indoors. If I got another indoor lens it would be a normal zoom. Something like the 17-50 or 17-70 range. From what I've been reading, I think the best one for me may be the Sigma 70-200mm HSM OS HD IX PO MN OA LMNOP, I just need to find one at a reasonable price. that's a very nice lens (though reasonable is not one of the terms I would describe it with)

05-22-2012, 11:36 AM	#17
Buschmaster Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 806 Original Poster	Ha! Ain't that the truth. I would HAVE to find it used and it would have to be a good deal. But it's AF is really a ton faster than the Tamron or Pentax isn't it? That's what basically everything I was reading said, and that's kinda the main thing I'm looking for in this particular lens purchase.

05-22-2012, 11:37 AM	#18
sterretje Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Roodepoort, South Africa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,561	Originally posted by Buschmaster My 40mm does just fine for indoors. Sorry, forgot about that. But then you don't need to worry about the 50mm of the 50-135 (or even 70mm of the 70-200).

05-22-2012, 11:57 AM	#19
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by Buschmaster Ha! Ain't that the truth. I would HAVE to find it used and it would have to be a good deal. But it's AF is really a ton faster than the Tamron or Pentax isn't it? That's what basically everything I was reading said, and that's kinda the main thing I'm looking for in this particular lens purchase. If I was going to continue doing the Event coverage I was doing it would actually be at the top of my list (to supplement my 24-70, second on my list would be upgrading the 24-70 to the hsm unit (and bot are FF so it covers future use) the 12-24 has been on my list for some time as well (i was waiting for the wr version they released in canikon sigma mount that is supposed to come in Pentax sooner or later) Since scaling back the event coverage though i find myself shooting primes almost exclusively, so my priority list is changing (I have lot's of primes but none aside from the DA14 are af)

05-22-2012, 12:04 PM	#20
Buschmaster Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 806 Original Poster	I just remembered the old camera and lens archive collection I have at my disposal... Ok, so I have... Tamron SP 35-210 1:3.5-4.2 Tamron SP 28-80 1:3.5-4.2 Tamron SP 28-135 1:4-4.5 All Adaptall 2 lenses in good condition, with filters on them even. Unfortunately I don't have the Adaptall 2-> K-Mount, but it may be worth getting. Then I can practice with these manual focus babies for a little while.

05-22-2012, 12:12 PM	#21
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by Buschmaster I just remembered the old camera and lens archive collection I have at my disposal... Ok, so I have... Tamron SP 35-210 1:3.5-4.2 Tamron SP 28-80 1:3.5-4.2 Tamron SP 28-135 1:4-4.5 All Adaptall 2 lenses in good condition, with filters on them even. Unfortunately I don't have the Adaptall 2-> K-Mount, but it may be worth getting. Then I can practice with these manual focus babies for a little while. Well manual focus won't likely help with focus speed lol, but it may stave off the urger to spend big bucks for a while there are a couple on fleabay in the $80- $100 range (original adaptall are half that but no A position)

05-22-2012, 12:17 PM	#22
Buschmaster Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 806 Original Poster	Originally posted by eddie1960 Well manual focus won't likely help with focus speed lol, but it may stave off the urger to spend big bucks for a while there are a couple on fleabay in the $80- $100 range (original adaptall are half that but no A position) Oh I definitely know that, but it may help me improve while using MF. At $80-$100 it'd be cheaper to just find another MF lens, though.

05-22-2012, 12:18 PM	#23
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by Buschmaster Oh I definitely know that, but it may help me improve while using MF. At $80-$100 it'd be cheaper to just find another MF lens, though. yeah but try and find 3 for that price

05-22-2012, 12:27 PM	#24
Buschmaster Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 806 Original Poster	Originally posted by eddie1960 yeah but try and find 3 for that price Well, sure. But really only the one could fulfill the purpose I want it to. The other two are somewhat redundant in my line-up.

05-22-2012, 02:57 PM	#25
hoanpham Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Strand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,366	I have the tamron af 90/2.8 macro and use it alot as multi purpose. Also the sigma 105/2.8 af macro as same use. Both are plastic build, but cheap and good. I like the tamron better, may be i am used 85 focal, but 105 is a bit tight, while 90 covers half portraits with 2-3 steps closer. Both has limit focus switch, screw drive, ok outdoor use. Both are cheaper the da100 macro.

05-22-2012, 03:45 PM	#26
Buschmaster Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 806 Original Poster	Originally posted by hoanpham I have the tamron af 90/2.8 macro and use it alot as multi purpose. Also the sigma 105/2.8 af macro as same use. Both are plastic build, but cheap and good. I like the tamron better, may be i am used 85 focal, but 105 is a bit tight, while 90 covers half portraits with 2-3 steps closer. Both has limit focus switch, screw drive, ok outdoor use. Both are cheaper the da100 macro. In your experience how much does the focus limiter actually help with AF speed?

05-22-2012, 06:32 PM	#27
ramseybuckeye Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampstead, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,294	I have the K20D and D FA 100/2.8 WR and have used it to shoot indoor soccer once. Unfortunately I was on the net side which makes autofocus difficult. I used it at 2.8 and it was fast enough. The autofocus is slow but I have learned with quick shift lenses that you can get close using QS then nail it with the AF. Of course it is a WR lens. Of course the focal length you need to use for sports depends on where you can get in relation to the field. What's the sport?, if you are shooting a particular player what position do they play? Good luck in finding that Sigma 70-200/2.8 at a good price? I'm thinking of a 70-200 now, I'll probably go Tamron since I can get a new one with a long warranty. I've used Optec Rainsleeves successfully before.

05-22-2012, 07:04 PM	#28
Buschmaster Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 806 Original Poster	I'm not even sure the Tamron is slow, it's just that everything I read about the Sigma talked about just how fast it really is. Perhaps the Tamron at a fair price would be good. I'm going back and forth so much, not entirely sure what the best solution for me would be. I mean, I do know what I want, it's just if my bank account wants me to have it

05-22-2012, 07:31 PM	#29
ramseybuckeye Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampstead, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,294	Originally posted by Buschmaster I'm not even sure the Tamron is slow, it's just that everything I read about the Sigma talked about just how fast it really is. Perhaps the Tamron at a fair price would be good. I'm going back and forth so much, not entirely sure what the best solution for me would be. I mean, I do know what I want, it's just if my bank account wants me to have it I know what you mean.

05-22-2012, 09:51 PM	#30
hoanpham Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Strand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,366	With focus limiter, focus speed is at least double. The close distance is about double focus throw. I rather say three time faster with limiter for a normal portrait. Both sigma and tamron has same speed. Half portrait, i use f4-5.6 to give background context. For objects, f8.