Canon 40mm Pancake: Okay, Pentax, time to wake up on lens pricing!

Heie · 06-09-2012, 06:45 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mecrox

Good to see so many folks on here doing their job since there is no difference at all between the complainers and those who complain about the complainers who complain. Both sides have something to complain about, it appears, though it's tempting to complain that the complainers have nothing to complain about and therefore that the complainers who complain about the complainers who complain also have nothing to complain about. For myself, I am grateful to the complainers for doing all my complaining for me. In fact, it there weren't doing their job I would be tempted to complain myself that the complainers are failing to make a proper job of complaining. It's an important job, too, because if they complainers didn't complain then the complainers who complain that the complainers have nothing to complain about would no longer be able to complain about the complainers who have nothing to complain about and the result could be a gigantic supernova explosion which would leave both parties with a very great deal to complain about except that by that stage there would be no one left to complain and nothing left to complain about and no complainers who could complain or not complain about no complainers with nothing left not to complain about. Have a nice day.

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mecrox · 06-09-2012, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by Heie

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Lol. Is that a complaint I'm hearing? Or perhaps a "sighting shot" for a full-on complaint about folks who complain about folks who complain about complainers ...

normhead · 06-09-2012, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Good to see so many folks on here doing their job since there is no difference at all between the complainers and those who complain about the complainers who complain.

ANd now you're the one complaining about the ones who complain about the complainers. Too funny. SO I guess the complainers are complainer to the first power, those complaining about them are complainers to the second power, and you have the honor of being our first complainer to the third power. Congratulations.

Now I'm complaining about you complaining about complaining about those who complain, that , makes me a complainer to the 4th power. If anyone complains about this post, oh well you get the idea. But so what?

Quote:

For myself, I am grateful to the complainers for doing all my complaining for me

So at heart you're a die hard complainer, is that what you're saying? See my first post.

This thread was not so much about complaining about Pentax as it was about pimping Canon. Every now and then we get some clown on here, who just comes in and tees off on the brand. He's talking about systems he hasn't seen, he's talking about a lens who's quality and capability he knows nothing about, he trashes Pentax for not keeping up. Keeping up with what? Rumours? Speculation?

Some people just set themselves up to be picked apart, sorry if I can't resist taking a run at them every now and then.

**monochrome** · 06-09-2012, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Heie

All recent posts
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I like your sig tag.

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**monochrome** · 06-09-2012, 09:45 AM

We need to discern the difference between a complaint and a criticism. Those who offer valid comparisons and contrasts, reasoned arguments and make suggestions to improve (whatever) lack or condition are critics. Those who throw rhetoric bombs then duck are complainers.

Those who hang out in the picture threads . . . well maybe some of us (me too) should do more of that and less of this.

**boriscleto** · 06-09-2012, 09:53 AM

Deja Vu...or double post?

normhead · 06-09-2012, 10:09 AM

We also need to discern the difference between a real complaint and those caught up in the hype Canon and Nikon press releases. Complaints about Pentax pricing may be valid, but most of us are just waiting them out. I doubt they've drawn a line in the sand and said "if we don't get these prices we'll fold the company". Hopefully once they realize they aren't selling anything they'll back down. For myself, it's simple, the higher the prices mean I'll have to slow down the rate I purchase new lenses and force me to re-evaluate which ones I want, if and when those prices come to Canada. The fact that Pentax may want more money for their lenses, doesn't mean I or anyone else has more money to spend on them. I'm sure all the people who have put off lens purchases is speaking to Pentax much louder than the opinionated voices on the forum

IN the meantime, Pentax is coming out with their line of cheaper lenses. I love my DA 35 2.4. I can see a guy getting a K-5 which is under $1000, the kit lens 18-55 a 70-200 2.8 and a 35 and the new 50, and having a very nice set up for about the same as I paid for my *ist with a Sigma 70-300. That's the kit lens and 3 high IQ lenses. all 2.8 or under. I got my *ist and two barely acceptable lenses. Over the last 8 years the dollar is worth less, and you can get more for your un-adjusted dollar. A lot more. I would have killed to get that list with my first $2400. Time often provides a perspective the impulse of the moment doesn't.

RioRico · 06-09-2012, 10:14 AM

This has become almost infinitely recursive. Beware, a singularity may result, and then we're ALL in deep doo-doo. The only escape: switch over to Holga lenses.

normhead · 06-09-2012, 10:17 AM

Rio--- are you channelling your inner Spock?

**boriscleto** · 06-09-2012, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Rio--- are you channelling your inner Spock?

I hope not. I'd hate to see him singing about Bilbo.

jay_akita · 06-09-2012, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Anvh

Very strange because the lens design is preciesly the same, the only thing that's different is that the XS has SP coating i believe.

Double checked - this comparison is copied directly from SLRGear.com (see below in red). I was set on the new XS largely because I'm very happy with the 35 F2.4 lens I bought last year and I don't own a pancake lens but it sounds like I'd be better served with the limited version - thankfully the prices just dropped on that one to something much more reasonable. The XS's diminutive size is very compelling though and I think it looks great on a K5...

Pentax 40mm ƒ/2.8 Limited SMC P-DA ~$500
At double the price and double the width, does it offer double the quality? The Limited SMC P-DA does offer significantly more sharpness than the XS model as well as convincingly better performance regarding chromatic aberration. Distortion and corner shading results are the same, and there are a few more frills such as a distance scale.

builttospill · 06-09-2012, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by fikkser

I agree 100%. Prices has gone insane in pentax land. Pentax makes plastic lenses based on old ones in questionable quality without sdm...

Originally posted by Na Horuk

Man, but imagine a Pentax 40mm Pancake with SDM, 9 rounded blades, for $300. It would be awesome, but I think the FF dream is more likely to come true than this..

I don't get it. You guys talk about Pentax lenses without SDM like it's a bad thing. I imagine the 40mm works because it's screw-driven. If it was SDM many people wouldn't even be interested, including me.

Fikkser, so it's bad that Pentax is just making plastic lenses based on old ones (questionable statement here

), but according to you, it's great that Canon is making a plastic lens based on an old Pentax design?

normhead · 06-09-2012, 11:12 AM

Quote:

I hope not. I'd hate to see him singing about Bilbo.

Or during mating season.

**boriscleto** · 06-09-2012, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by jay_akita

Double checked - this comparison is copied directly from SLRGear.com (see below in red). I was set on the new XS largely because I'm very happy with the 35 F2.4 lens I bought last year and I don't own a pancake lens but it sounds like I'd be better served with the limited version - thankfully the prices just dropped on that one to something much more reasonable. The XS's diminutive size is very compelling though and I think it looks great on a K5...

Pentax 40mm ƒ/2.8 Limited SMC P-DA ~$500
At double the price and double the width, does it offer double the quality? The Limited SMC P-DA does offer significantly more sharpness than the XS model as well as convincingly better performance regarding chromatic aberration. Distortion and corner shading results are the same, and there are a few more frills such as a distance scale.

DxO reached the exact opposite conclusion rating the XS 1 point higher than the Ltd.

RioRico · 06-09-2012, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Rio--- are you channelling your inner Spock?

That would be... illogical.

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06-09-2012, 07:12 AM	#47
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	Originally posted by Heie No Points - YouTube -Heie Lol. Is that a complaint I'm hearing? Or perhaps a "sighting shot" for a full-on complaint about folks who complain about folks who complain about complainers ...

06-09-2012, 07:15 AM	#48
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,450	Quote: Good to see so many folks on here doing their job since there is no difference at all between the complainers and those who complain about the complainers who complain. ANd now you're the one complaining about the ones who complain about the complainers. Too funny. SO I guess the complainers are complainer to the first power, those complaining about them are complainers to the second power, and you have the honor of being our first complainer to the third power. Congratulations. Now I'm complaining about you complaining about complaining about those who complain, that , makes me a complainer to the 4th power. If anyone complains about this post, oh well you get the idea. But so what? Quote: For myself, I am grateful to the complainers for doing all my complaining for me So at heart you're a die hard complainer, is that what you're saying? See my first post. This thread was not so much about complaining about Pentax as it was about pimping Canon. Every now and then we get some clown on here, who just comes in and tees off on the brand. He's talking about systems he hasn't seen, he's talking about a lens who's quality and capability he knows nothing about, he trashes Pentax for not keeping up. Keeping up with what? Rumours? Speculation? Some people just set themselves up to be picked apart, sorry if I can't resist taking a run at them every now and then.

06-09-2012, 09:39 AM	#49
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Heie All recent posts -Heie I like your sig tag. see below

06-09-2012, 09:45 AM	#50
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	We need to discern the difference between a complaint and a criticism. Those who offer valid comparisons and contrasts, reasoned arguments and make suggestions to improve (whatever) lack or condition are critics. Those who throw rhetoric bombs then duck are complainers. Those who hang out in the picture threads . . . well maybe some of us (me too) should do more of that and less of this.

06-09-2012, 09:53 AM	#51
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,473	Deja Vu...or double post?

06-09-2012, 10:09 AM	#52
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,450	We also need to discern the difference between a real complaint and those caught up in the hype Canon and Nikon press releases. Complaints about Pentax pricing may be valid, but most of us are just waiting them out. I doubt they've drawn a line in the sand and said "if we don't get these prices we'll fold the company". Hopefully once they realize they aren't selling anything they'll back down. For myself, it's simple, the higher the prices mean I'll have to slow down the rate I purchase new lenses and force me to re-evaluate which ones I want, if and when those prices come to Canada. The fact that Pentax may want more money for their lenses, doesn't mean I or anyone else has more money to spend on them. I'm sure all the people who have put off lens purchases is speaking to Pentax much louder than the opinionated voices on the forum IN the meantime, Pentax is coming out with their line of cheaper lenses. I love my DA 35 2.4. I can see a guy getting a K-5 which is under $1000, the kit lens 18-55 a 70-200 2.8 and a 35 and the new 50, and having a very nice set up for about the same as I paid for my ist with a Sigma 70-300. That's the kit lens and 3 high IQ lenses. all 2.8 or under. I got my ist and two barely acceptable lenses. Over the last 8 years the dollar is worth less, and you can get more for your un-adjusted dollar. A lot more. I would have killed to get that list with my first $2400. Time often provides a perspective the impulse of the moment doesn't.

06-09-2012, 10:14 AM	#53
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	This has become almost infinitely recursive. Beware, a singularity may result, and then we're ALL in deep doo-doo. The only escape: switch over to Holga lenses.

06-09-2012, 10:17 AM	#54
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,450	Rio--- are you channelling your inner Spock?

06-09-2012, 10:19 AM	#55
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,473	Originally posted by normhead Rio--- are you channelling your inner Spock? I hope not. I'd hate to see him singing about Bilbo.

06-09-2012, 10:28 AM	#56
jay_akita Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 64	Originally posted by Anvh Very strange because the lens design is preciesly the same, the only thing that's different is that the XS has SP coating i believe. Double checked - this comparison is copied directly from SLRGear.com (see below in red). I was set on the new XS largely because I'm very happy with the 35 F2.4 lens I bought last year and I don't own a pancake lens but it sounds like I'd be better served with the limited version - thankfully the prices just dropped on that one to something much more reasonable. The XS's diminutive size is very compelling though and I think it looks great on a K5... Pentax 40mm ƒ/2.8 Limited SMC P-DA ~$500 At double the price and double the width, does it offer double the quality? The Limited SMC P-DA does offer significantly more sharpness than the XS model as well as convincingly better performance regarding chromatic aberration. Distortion and corner shading results are the same, and there are a few more frills such as a distance scale.

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06-09-2012, 10:56 AM	#57
builttospill Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Utah, Idaho Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,398	Originally posted by fikkser I agree 100%. Prices has gone insane in pentax land. Pentax makes plastic lenses based on old ones in questionable quality without sdm... Originally posted by Na Horuk Man, but imagine a Pentax 40mm Pancake with SDM, 9 rounded blades, for $300. It would be awesome, but I think the FF dream is more likely to come true than this.. I don't get it. You guys talk about Pentax lenses without SDM like it's a bad thing. I imagine the 40mm works because it's screw-driven. If it was SDM many people wouldn't even be interested, including me. Fikkser, so it's bad that Pentax is just making plastic lenses based on old ones (questionable statement here ), but according to you, it's great that Canon is making a plastic lens based on an old Pentax design?

06-09-2012, 11:12 AM	#58
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,450	Quote: I hope not. I'd hate to see him singing about Bilbo. Or during mating season.

06-09-2012, 11:26 AM	#59
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,473	Originally posted by jay_akita Double checked - this comparison is copied directly from SLRGear.com (see below in red). I was set on the new XS largely because I'm very happy with the 35 F2.4 lens I bought last year and I don't own a pancake lens but it sounds like I'd be better served with the limited version - thankfully the prices just dropped on that one to something much more reasonable. The XS's diminutive size is very compelling though and I think it looks great on a K5... Pentax 40mm ƒ/2.8 Limited SMC P-DA ~$500 At double the price and double the width, does it offer double the quality? The Limited SMC P-DA does offer significantly more sharpness than the XS model as well as convincingly better performance regarding chromatic aberration. Distortion and corner shading results are the same, and there are a few more frills such as a distance scale. DxO reached the exact opposite conclusion rating the XS 1 point higher than the Ltd.

06-09-2012, 11:27 AM	#60
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by normhead Rio--- are you channelling your inner Spock? That would be... illogical.