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06-18-2012, 04:46 PM   #1
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Are these any good at all or ... ? garbage?

I have recently discovered an oldie, banged up lens and would like to know what I should do with it:

Auto Makinon 135/2.8 "Macro" (SN 890743) Multi coated.

I recall having banged it on a rock - at least 25 years ago - and the "Black's Camera" 1A filter is stuck on it ... you can tell someone tried to dislodge it with pliers!!! but the lens still works. Not great IQ but we never know what can be done with it.


I also found these:


Japan made "Admiral" 49mm size threaded "filter-like things" you ad in front of the lens ... they carry numbers such as: CU+1, CU+2, CU+3.
Funny thing is that they are in TOP shape in their little case!

And finally:
a completely manual TC: Vivitar MC 2X-22.

Anything to do with any of those ??

Cheers!

JP


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06-18-2012, 04:56 PM   #2
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try a big piece of rubber to get a grip and dislodge the filter - maybe a puck - just something soft enough to get grip push down and turn
Makinon is the black camera brand AFAIK

the +1+2+3 are macro filters - they degrade iq but let you focus closer - i have a number of them they seem to be in every lot sale you win on ebay. tubes are better worth maybe $5

the last is a variable teleconverter. like the filters it degrades the iq. but it does apparently support the aperture lever so would make a decent enough macro tube by removing the glass optic worth maybe $10
06-18-2012, 05:56 PM   #3
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What Eddie said. Some Makinon lenses are very good, some aren't. I'm not sure that the Vivitar TC is variable; if it doesn't have a twist ring, it's just a plain-vanilla 2x TC. And if it's PK bayonet mount (not M42 screwmount) and has the aperture link lever, then yes, it's better to de-glass it and use it as a macro tube.

The +1+2+3dpt (dioptre) closeup optics are for just that, working close easily. They also dramatically thin DOF. As he said, they degrade IQ some, but aren't necessarily bad, just not as good as other closeup tools. They can be used individually, or stacked for closer work (ie +1+3 = +4dpt), although stacking DOES lower IQ more. When mounted on a lens, they reduce the focus distance, this way:

+1 >> 20-38" (500-950mm)
+2 >> 13-20" (330-500mm)
+3 >> 10-13" (250-330mm)
+4 >> 8--10" (205-250mm)
+5 >> 6.5-8" (165-205mm)
+6 >> 6-6.5" (153-165mm)

Those distances are their focus ranges. I find a +1dpt useful for portraits with a slow lens, like the DA18-55 at its long end, because even with a tight aperture, they still produce thin DOF. They're fun to use, and OK when you don't care about the image edges. Enjoy!
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AFAIK, the Viv 2x-22 TC is NOT variable, but as 2x TCs go, it isn't horrible. I wouldn't deglass it until you see if it can be of use to you in its normal state. It's worth a bit more than "maybe $10", at least 20-30 if it's in good condition, by all the listings I've seen in past months.

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Is it the Makinon with 1:4.5 macro and two focus rings? I bought that for fun, and thought any lens with macro designation must be at least decent. But I found the IQ to be bad and flare restistance terrible. It still gives some interesting photos though, more of a toy lens type photos. I actually got two into PPG from the first time I used the lens
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QuoteOriginally posted by eddie1960 Quote
try a big piece of rubber to get a grip and dislodge the filter - maybe a puck - just something soft enough to get grip push down and turn
Makinon is the black camera brand AFAIK

the +1+2+3 are macro filters - they degrade iq but let you focus closer - i have a number of them they seem to be in every lot sale you win on ebay. tubes are better worth maybe $5

the last is a variable teleconverter. like the filters it degrades the iq. but it does apparently support the aperture lever so would make a decent enough macro tube by removing the glass optic worth maybe $10
Thanks Eddie.

I'll try to dislodge this stuck filter on the lens.
Who knows? this could be a "spare" lens to use once in a while.
I was thinking of selling it off for real cheap to whoever would want it, but I'll see what goes with this filter.

So, for the other "parts", I'll just store them away until I place an "to give away" ad for anyone who would find a use for them.

JP
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QuoteOriginally posted by RioRico Quote
What Eddie said. Some Makinon lenses are very good, some aren't. I'm not sure that the Vivitar TC is variable; if it doesn't have a twist ring, it's just a plain-vanilla 2x TC. And if it's PK bayonet mount (not M42 screwmount) and has the aperture link lever, then yes, it's better to de-glass it and use it as a macro tube.
I'd better check this out more carefully then. I am not sure at all what it does except being a plain TC.
The +1+2+3dpt (dioptre) closeup optics are for just that, working close easily. They also dramatically thin DOF. As he said, they degrade IQ some, but aren't necessarily bad, just not as good as other closeup tools. They can be used individually, or stacked for closer work (ie +1+3 = +4dpt), although stacking DOES lower IQ more. When mounted on a lens, they reduce the focus distance, this way:

+1 >> 20-38" (500-950mm)
+2 >> 13-20" (330-500mm)
+3 >> 10-13" (250-330mm)
+4 >> 8--10" (205-250mm)
+5 >> 6.5-8" (165-205mm)
+6 >> 6-6.5" (153-165mm)

Those distances are their focus ranges. I find a +1dpt useful for portraits with a slow lens, like the DA18-55 at its long end, because even with a tight aperture, they still produce thin DOF. They're fun to use, and OK when you don't care about the image edges. Enjoy!
In that case, before further action, I will try these out on a couple of lenses and see what the results are.

Thanks for the reply.
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Is it the Makinon with 1:4.5 macro and two focus rings? I bought that for fun, and thought any lens with macro designation must be at least decent. But I found the IQ to be bad and flare restistance terrible. It still gives some interesting photos though, more of a toy lens type photos. I actually got two into PPG from the first time I used the lens
Yes, that is exactly that one !

Some pics I took yesterday were .... well ... I don't know what to say!
Very "soft" at F2.8, OOF most of the time stopped down. As you mention, looks and behave like a "toy lens."

Cheers.

JP

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QuoteOriginally posted by Philoslothical Quote
AFAIK, the Viv 2x-22 TC is NOT variable, but as 2x TCs go, it isn't horrible. I wouldn't deglass it until you see if it can be of use to you in its normal state. It's worth a bit more than "maybe $10", at least 20-30 if it's in good condition, by all the listings I've seen in past months.
Better test it then ! If it isn't worth keeping, I'll offer it at the Marketplace for cheap.

Thanks !

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QuoteOriginally posted by jpzk Quote
Yes, that is exactly that one !

Some pics I took yesterday were .... well ... I don't know what to say!
Very "soft" at F2.8, OOF most of the time stopped down. As you mention, looks and behave like a "toy lens."

Cheers.

JP
Exactly my thoughts. I have kept the lens as I'm not sure whether I like it or not. Maybe it's some sort of love-hate relationship. Anyway, I need to use this lens some more as I think it can grow on you. Here's one photo showing others what can be expected of this lens.



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Exactly my thoughts. I have kept the lens as I'm not sure whether I like it or not. Maybe it's some sort of love-hate relationship. Anyway, I need to use this lens some more as I think it can grow on you. Here's one photo showing others what can be expected of this lens.

I actually like the look of this flower!
Toy lens or not, this is rather special.

I think I might have to give it some more use before I decide to give it away.

JP
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