Originally posted by vonBaloney It might also be nice to point out that "equivalent" images are impossible, and if you one lens on one format and an "equivalent" lens on another format and attempt to take the "same" picture, they will look utterly different even putting aside the DOF differences.
What makes you think the images would look different?
Originally posted by alohadave They both have the same light gathering ability, even though the aperture sizes are completely different.
But they don't have the same AOV.
When I previously wrote that they aperture size is the only thing that matters, I was assuming that we were talking about the same AOV (my underlying assumption is always that of equivalent images because it is nigh on impossible to compare images made from different viewpoints or with a different AOV, etc).
So while you are correct that keeping the f-ratio constant when changing focal length ensures the same exposure for one and the same sensor format, it is equally true that when you change the sensor format and hence have to adapt the focal length, it is then important to keep the same aperture size (not the same f-ratio). This is why when one calculates equivalent lens parameters, one not only multiplies/divides focal length by the crop factor, but also the f-ratio.
Originally posted by Ben_Edict I don't think, this is quite that easy: the light gathering ability would be the same for equal diameter lenses (as in your example) for point sources. In photography we usually deal not with point sources (in astronomy, this would be meaningful, because stars are point-like), but with subjects which have an area, an apparent angle. In that case, the ratio between focal length and diameter, aka the chosen aperture (or the max. aperture) is the decisive factor.
When you assume equivalent images, i.e., same AOV, etc. the same (not in the sense of "identical") scene photons will attempt to pass through the aperture. The scene contents do not matter as both lenses "see" exactly the same photons (again not identical ones because two sensors cannot be in the same place at any one time, but the idea is that the same images are formed on the sensors).
As a result, it is necessary that the same scene photons (in particular the same amount) pass through the aperture and hence the aperture size must be the same for both lenses.
At the sensor, the photons will be spread out over a larger area in case of the larger sensor camera. This leads to a reduction in local light intensity (which is why one has to increase the ISO setting for the larger sensor camera if one intends to achieve the same exposure). However, the total amount of light gathered by each sensor (i.e., local light intensity times surface area) is exactly the same and this reduction in light intensity on the larger sensor surface is necessary for "fairness". Otherwise the larger sensor would receive a higher amount of total light, hence lower shot noise.
I kindly ask anyone questioning me to read the articles I linked to. I may or may not be around later to further discuss this topic.