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01-24-2008, 04:00 PM   #1
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Tokina 19-35 & 28-70

After buying a used copy of Tokina 19-35 f/3.5-4.5 in ebay and I posted few sunset pictures here in previous thread.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/18409-tokina-1...est-shots.html


Pictures from Tokina 19-35 f/3.5-4.5 test shots

#1 Tokina 19-35


#2 Tokina 19-35


And I find Tokina's lens are well built and I went on and purchased Tokina SZ-X 287 28-70 f/2.8-4.3 (manual focus) and have my range filled from 19-70 with two Tokina Lens. More test shots using the dual Tokina in San Francisco Ghirardelli Square


*** From Tokina 28-70 ****
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**** From Tokina 19-35 ****
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My initial impressions favor my Tokina AF 19-35 f/3.5-4.5 over the manual Tokina 28-70 f/2.8-4.3 due to the convenience of AF and wider angle for street shooting. Both are less than $100 and I fall short to test the manual zoom for sharpness as I lack knowledge in judging critical sharpness even in big crop. Any suggestion in easy to understand approach for novices in selecting subjects to test on sharpness comparing two lens. C&C are welcome, especially if you have one of these lens.

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01-24-2008, 05:22 PM   #2
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Wow! That seems like an awesome lens! You're making me want to pick one up!
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QuoteOriginally posted by quickpix Quote
Wow! That seems like an awesome lens! You're making me want to pick one up!
Tokina really seems like good lens to have. I have luck in getting two Tokina lens in eBay with Pentax K mount and that help me to cover from 19 to 70 which I use mostly. I especially like the Tokina 19-35 f/3.5-4.5, though it is not as fast, it works out quite alright for me in daytime and even at sunset with high iso setting, that lens is worth to look into.


selected pictures with Tokina 19-35 f/3.5-4.5 & K100D

1/8 sec, f/4.0, 30mm, iso 400, -7/10Ev, hand-held with SR


1/10 sec, f/4.5, 35mm, iso 400, -7/10Ev, hand-held with SR


1/5 sec, f/3.5, 20mm, iso 400, -7/10 Ev, hand-held with SR



I wonder if any other people have the Tokina 28-70 f/2.8-4.3 manual lens with a 62mm filter size and how you like that lens. I lack knowledge in judging the sharpness and I don't quite know how to test the sharpness easily on a given lens. I don't test lens scientifically, but so far I really like my Tokina 19-35 f/3.5-4.5 and I am yet to find more liking on my Tokina 28-70 f/2.8-4.3 as it is manual focus and its focusing ring is designed to be very loose, much like my sold copy of Takumar 28-70 f/3.5-?? Macro, and I get a hand of it quickly as my Takumar 28-70 looks exactly like the Tokina or the Pentax SMC-A 28-70. I will show picture of lens later on.


Slideshow of test pictures with picture link for exif
hin_man's slideshow on Flickr

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Hin

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01-24-2008, 10:26 PM   #4
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that 19-35 looks really nice. If I find one at the right price, it might be worth a buy!

If you have one, how does it compare to the 18-55 kit? They're similar in price, similar in speed, and both cover about the same of the wide end.

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It is my opinion that the Tokina 19-35 f/3.5-4.5 has better sharpness and color especially in the wider end. I personally love the kit's lens for the price and it is much lighter gear, it is especially good for new comer on a budget trying out a new lens with K10D/K100D. Similar to the kit's lens, the Tokina 19-35 is plastic but I feel that it is of better built and quality than the kit's lens. Given what I know today and if I have to choose one over the other, I will pick the Tokina to cover the lower end of the focal range.

One big reason that I go for the Tokina is the price cheaper than Pentax 16-45 and the 2nd reason is that I have purchased a used copy of Tamron 28-75 along with a manual copy Tokina 28-70 and the range in Tokina 19-35 compliments quite well with my normal zoom in 28-75. So my current zooms with work-in-progress to cover the focal range from 10 to 300 are as follows:

1. Tokina 19-35 f/3.5-4.5
2. Tamron 28-75 f/2.8
3. Pentax DA 50-200
4. Tamron 70-300 Di DL Macro (planned)
5. Sigma 10-20 or Pentax DA 12-24 or Pentax 10-17 (to be decided)

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01-24-2008, 11:41 PM   #6
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very nice shots hin, hey if you want to try out the 12-24, i have it just let me know...
01-24-2008, 11:54 PM   #7
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Hi Hin

I have not seen a 100 dollar copy of the AF 19-35 anywhere... I have been looking since you posted the first shots with it. I want one.
Have you got the 28-75 2.8 tamy yet? I cant wait to get your report and pic from that one.... If you say go!!! I am getting it.

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Hmm.

QuoteOriginally posted by hinman Quote
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I have purchased a used copy of Tamron 28-75 along with a manual copy Tokina 28-70 and the range in Tokina 19-35 compliments quite well with my normal zoom in 28-75. So my current zooms with work-in-progress to cover the focal range from 10 to 300 are as follows:


Thanks,
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Hey Hin --

Why buy the manual focus Tokina 28-70 f/2.8-4 when you just bought the auto focus Tamron 28-75 f/2.8? Speaking from personal experience, a "cheap" $100 lens becomes a really, really expensive $100 paperweight when you have no use for it.

BTW - have you tried adding up the cost of all those $30 and $50 and $90 "cheapo" lenses you've acquired? My guess is that you'd have at least a 43mm Limited in your hands by now (maybe even a 77mm Ltd!) if you just saved for the better stuff .... (Again speaking from unhappy personal experience ....)

Anyway, nice pictures and always good to hear froom you.

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Some of us like having oodles and oodles of toys to choose from, even if the total cost adds up to more than the cost of something more top-of-the-line in the end.

I was just counting up at work today and in addition to the K100D and the dozen or so lenses I have picked up for it (all cheapies with the exception of the DA70), I have a Pentax SV, ten other 35mm non-SLR film cameras, and a half dozen medium format cameras....all purchased in the short span of one year. Most cost no more than $10 or $15, but a few ran as much as $80 or so. Added all up, I could have gotten a K10D and maybe one or two nice new lenses instead....but I'm having more fun this way.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mike Cash Quote
Some of us like having oodles and oodles of toys to choose from, even if the total cost adds up to more than the cost of something more top-of-the-line in the end.

I was just counting up at work today and in addition to the K100D and the dozen or so lenses I have picked up for it (all cheapies with the exception of the DA70), I have a Pentax SV, ten other 35mm non-SLR film cameras, and a half dozen medium format cameras....all purchased in the short span of one year. Most cost no more than $10 or $15, but a few ran as much as $80 or so. Added all up, I could have gotten a K10D and maybe one or two nice new lenses instead....but I'm having more fun this way.

Yes, true enough. We're all different, and maybe Hin is like you in this regard.

I'm speaking merely from my experience, both re lenses and re other things. For the past 8 or so years, I've been an avid collector of mid-20th-century design objects -- furniture, clocks, lamps, ceramics, etc. And what I eventually learned, after acquiring hundreds & hundreds of "bargains" from E-Bay and elsewhere, was that if I had to do it all over again, I should've skipped the cheapies and saved up for the big-ticket items (for the most part -- I DID really get a few cheapie gems on Ebay, back before everyone discovered the appeal of the same objects). And truth be told, most of the few objects that I still truly treasure are the ones that I paid a bundle for. As for most of the cheapo stuff, I'd be happy to get rid of it all even at 1/5 of the price I originally paid for them.

For me, the collector's adage -- "Buy Fewer but Buy Better" -- rings true.

And I think that for me, the same holds re lenses. When I first got into photography, I quickly bought about 7 or 8 cool old lenses that seemed cheap at the time. But now I don't use them at all .... and if I added up the cost of all those 'cheap' lenses, I'd be easily half-way to the FA31 Ltd (the one FA Ltd I'm missing). (And, yes, I know I can re-flog them, but I find the selling side of eBay to be a big pain-in-the-axx).

But, again, we're all different. I realized quickly that with my crappy eyesight and my particular 'way' of doing my photography, e.g., manual focus lenses just weren't going to do for me. Others obviously don't feel the same way and take terrific photos with old manual lenses.
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I just took delivery of a camera identical to this one last night and can't wait to take it out and run a roll through it. Cost me about 8 bucks and I'll have more than 8 bucks worth of fun out of it even if it never sees a second roll.

I can see your point, though. I learned the lesson of which you speak from my father when I was about 15. He gave me $5 and told me to hop on my motorcycle, run to the store, and bring home a pack of Bryan's bologna. I hopped on my motorcycle, ran to the store, and was very pleased with myself for saving him some money by buying Reelfoot bologna, a considerably cheaper (and inferior) brand.

Was he proud of me? Not in the slightest. He took out his wallet, handed me the price of a pack of Bryan's bologna, and said, "You can eat that Reelfoot sh*t yourself. Take your ass back to the store and get Bryan's like I told you to begin with."

I have taken the moral of that story with me: Life's too short to eat cheap bologna.

I just can't seem to apply it to cameras for some reason. (My glass is good....it's just cheap. I'm a Takumar guy).
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Hey Hin --

Why buy the manual focus Tokina 28-70 f/2.8-4 when you just bought the auto focus Tamron 28-75 f/2.8? Speaking from personal experience, a "cheap" $100 lens becomes a really, really expensive $100 paperweight when you have no use for it.

BTW - have you tried adding up the cost of all those $30 and $50 and $90 "cheapo" lenses you've acquired? My guess is that you'd have at least a 43mm Limited in your hands by now (maybe even a 77mm Ltd!) if you just saved for the better stuff .... (Again speaking from unhappy personal experience ....)

Anyway, nice pictures and always good to hear froom you.
I have to wholeheartedly agree with you. Being cheap turns out to be more expensive. But I do have my reasons to get manual lens of repeated focal length. I have a great Pentax Super Program and I make excuses to get extremely good manual lenses that are small, lightweight to be compact for my film camera. My Pentax Super Program is small, compact and darn cute camera (yes, darn cute is the word I use) in pristine condition and the Tamron 28-75 would be way too heavy and big on it. And I don't expect the Tokina 19-35 AF to do well in manual focusing due to its short focusing ring path.

Thanks for the comments,
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I have not seen a 100 dollar copy of the AF 19-35 anywhere... I have been looking since you posted the first shots with it. I want one.
Have you got the 28-75 2.8 tamy yet? I cant wait to get your report and pic from that one.... If you say go!!! I am getting it.

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I will reply in more detail. You are absolutely doing the right thing to be cautious and not buy too quick and too many. Unfortunately it is too late for me, see other's advice in this thread. I have way too many lens to unload and it will be quite sometime before I can get to the Tamron. I have your Jupiter9 from James and I don't want you to kick yourself. I will be the one kicking myself. It kills me in seeing the lens not sold in marketplace and James is my best seller (or my best LBA provoking friend).

LBA gets into the cheap guy in me and I get all the good quality inexpensive glasses that end up very expensive. But the bad habits comes with all the fun, I have to admit. When I see the K20/K200 and I got so excited and I frequently look at the limited in 21/43/70. After the zooms, that three limited lens are what I will plan in the future along with deciding Sigma 10-20, Pentax DA 12-24, Pentax 10-17, and Pentax 14 in the wider end.

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Some of us like having oodles and oodles of toys to choose from, even if the total cost adds up to more than the cost of something more top-of-the-line in the end.

I was just counting up at work today and in addition to the K100D and the dozen or so lenses I have picked up for it (all cheapies with the exception of the DA70), I have a Pentax SV, ten other 35mm non-SLR film cameras, and a half dozen medium format cameras....all purchased in the short span of one year. Most cost no more than $10 or $15, but a few ran as much as $80 or so. Added all up, I could have gotten a K10D and maybe one or two nice new lenses instead....but I'm having more fun this way.
I am with you and Ycl on different perspective. I am making excuses but I do appreciate manual focus as much as I do on AF and I love my gear with film cameras.

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ABout the Tokina SZ-X 28-70 f/2.8-4.3


Tokina SZ-X 287 28-70 f/2.8-4.3



This manual zoom lens is small and compact, and well built. If you are into manual focusing and want a fast lens, I think this lens is quite good if you can get it for a reasonable price like the kit's lens price. It has a close resemblence to a manual zoom lens that I used and sold before with Takumar Asahi 28-80 Macro. The focusing ring is kind of loose but I think that goes by design as both the Takumar and Tokina zoom have the same focusing ring that is wide and I have great liking in the focusing ring for fast and smooth zooming and focusing.

I have a difficult time in judging the sharpness as I am novice in testing out lens scientifically, I only test the lens in casual shooting in weekend activity in f/8.0 and f/5.6. When time and lighting allows, I need to test the effectiveness of the lens in wide open at f/2.8


#1 1/8 sec, f/8.0, 50mm, iso 200, 0 Ev, hand-held


#2 1/8 sec, f/8.0, 50mm, iso 200, +3/10 Ev, hand-held


#3 1/200 sec, f/5.6, 50mm, iso 200, -3/10 Ev


#4 1/80 sec, f/8.0, 70mm, iso 200, -1 Ev


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