What can I replace my 70 ltd with?

Blue · 07-18-2012, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

Is 77 the 60-70 area?
Nokton: 58 is closer.

7 is closer to 70 than 12.

**Michaelina2** · 07-18-2012, 06:47 AM

Originally posted by slackercruster

Want sharp, high IQ lens. 60-70 area.... Highest IQ mandatory.

Easy...

FA 31, then crop to 50-60-70-80-90-100-110-120-130-140-etc...

... my 2 cents...

**Rondec** · 07-18-2012, 06:50 AM

I agree with those who recommended the FA 77. It is easily one of the sharpest lenses that I have ever used and does have an aperture ring (those seem to be on their way out).

civiletti · 07-18-2012, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by slackercruster

Want sharp, high IQ lens. 60-70 area. My 70 ltd has great IQ but the deal breaker is no manual f stop ring. Fudge that, I hate no F ring. If your suggestion has no F ring, dont send it in either. Will look at native as well as 3rd party lenses. No AF is OK. Highest IQ mandatory.

There are few lenses in that range. You lose.

eddie1960 · 07-18-2012, 11:06 AM

The 77 (but then it's higher on my list than the 70 anyway for that range)
the DA 70 is maybe sharper, but i don't see the same magic in the images people produce with it.
with an aperture ring it's likely the only NIB option close to 70mm.
Fortunately it's also a fantastic lens

CrazyNuts · 07-18-2012, 03:53 PM

Apologies for the silly question, but why is everyone so hung up about having an aperture ring? Even in FF there is no need for it unless you are the type that likes to shoot full manual.

I just don't understand the obsession with it. I'm willing to bet that those with an apperture ring lens never move it off the "A" setting anyway.

Docrwm · 07-18-2012, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by CrazyNuts

Apologies for the silly question, but why is everyone so hung up about having an aperture ring? Even in FF there is no need for it unless you are the type that likes to shoot full manual.

I just don't understand the obsession with it. I'm willing to bet that those with an apperture ring lens never move it off the "A" setting anyway.

Macro shots and other more creative uses of the lens are much easier with an Aperture Ring on the lens.

CrazyNuts · 07-18-2012, 04:03 PM

Not being facetious, but how exactly? How is turning an aperture ring easier than using the scroll wheel on the camera?

It could be personal preferance, maybe; but to be honest it just seems like hype.

Docrwm · 07-18-2012, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by CrazyNuts

Not being facetious, but how exactly? How is turning an aperture ring easier than using the scroll wheel on the camera?

It could be personal preferance, maybe; but to be honest it just seems like hype.

Well, for one reason sometimes you do not mount the lens directly to the camera for Macro. If you plan to use your dSLR for standard shooting without any need to do anything unusual then modern aperture ringless lenses will work just fine.

twitch · 07-18-2012, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by CrazyNuts

Apologies for the silly question, but why is everyone so hung up about having an aperture ring? Even in FF there is no need for it unless you are the type that likes to shoot full manual.

I just don't understand the obsession with it. I'm willing to bet that those with an apperture ring lens never move it off the "A" setting anyway.

Here's my reason; this camera requires an aperture ring for direct control over the aperture. As you can see in the picture, it's not on "A".

Another reason people have is for reversing a lens for macro work requires an aperture ring on the reversed lens.

kenafein · 07-18-2012, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by twitch

Here's my reason; this camera requires an aperture ring for direct control over the aperture. As you can see in the picture, it's not on "A".

Another reason people have is for reversing a lens for macro work requires an aperture ring on the reversed lens.

Or simply using extension tubes.

slackercruster · 07-18-2012, 05:01 PM

I am an old cruster and don't have to think about how to do it. I shoot manual and that is how I like it most of the time.

cali92rs · 07-18-2012, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by kenafein

Or simply using extension tubes.

Or if you want to use film cameras that can't change the aperture.

Marc Sabatella · 07-22-2012, 04:12 PM

If being able to use on some particular film camera is the main criteria, seems it would be more relevant to simply say so than to obscure the issue by making it be just about aperture ring. After all, an APS-C lens with an aperture ring won't help either.

Blue · 07-22-2012, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Marc Sabatella

If being able to use on some particular film camera is the main criteria, seems it would be more relevant to simply say so than to obscure the issue by making it be just about aperture ring. After all, an APS-C lens with an aperture ring won't help either.

I can't think of an aps-c Pentax lens with an aperture ring.

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07-18-2012, 06:35 AM	#16
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by lytrytyr Is 77 the 60-70 area? Nokton: 58 is closer. 7 is closer to 70 than 12.

07-18-2012, 06:47 AM	#17
Michaelina2 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SE Michigan USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,302	Originally posted by slackercruster Want sharp, high IQ lens. 60-70 area.... Highest IQ mandatory. Easy... FA 31, then crop to 50-60-70-80-90-100-110-120-130-140-etc... ... my 2 cents...

07-18-2012, 06:50 AM	#18
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	I agree with those who recommended the FA 77. It is easily one of the sharpest lenses that I have ever used and does have an aperture ring (those seem to be on their way out).

07-18-2012, 10:41 AM	#19
civiletti Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Oregon Photos: Albums Posts: 1,435	Originally posted by slackercruster Want sharp, high IQ lens. 60-70 area. My 70 ltd has great IQ but the deal breaker is no manual f stop ring. Fudge that, I hate no F ring. If your suggestion has no F ring, dont send it in either. Will look at native as well as 3rd party lenses. No AF is OK. Highest IQ mandatory. There are few lenses in that range. You lose.

07-18-2012, 11:06 AM	#20
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	The 77 (but then it's higher on my list than the 70 anyway for that range) the DA 70 is maybe sharper, but i don't see the same magic in the images people produce with it. with an aperture ring it's likely the only NIB option close to 70mm. Fortunately it's also a fantastic lens

07-18-2012, 03:53 PM	#21
CrazyNuts Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 180	Apologies for the silly question, but why is everyone so hung up about having an aperture ring? Even in FF there is no need for it unless you are the type that likes to shoot full manual. I just don't understand the obsession with it. I'm willing to bet that those with an apperture ring lens never move it off the "A" setting anyway.

07-18-2012, 03:58 PM	#22
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by CrazyNuts Apologies for the silly question, but why is everyone so hung up about having an aperture ring? Even in FF there is no need for it unless you are the type that likes to shoot full manual. I just don't understand the obsession with it. I'm willing to bet that those with an apperture ring lens never move it off the "A" setting anyway. Macro shots and other more creative uses of the lens are much easier with an Aperture Ring on the lens.

07-18-2012, 04:03 PM	#23
CrazyNuts Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 180	Not being facetious, but how exactly? How is turning an aperture ring easier than using the scroll wheel on the camera? It could be personal preferance, maybe; but to be honest it just seems like hype.

07-18-2012, 04:10 PM	#24
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285	Originally posted by CrazyNuts Not being facetious, but how exactly? How is turning an aperture ring easier than using the scroll wheel on the camera? It could be personal preferance, maybe; but to be honest it just seems like hype. Well, for one reason sometimes you do not mount the lens directly to the camera for Macro. If you plan to use your dSLR for standard shooting without any need to do anything unusual then modern aperture ringless lenses will work just fine.

07-18-2012, 04:32 PM	#25
twitch Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,571	Originally posted by CrazyNuts Apologies for the silly question, but why is everyone so hung up about having an aperture ring? Even in FF there is no need for it unless you are the type that likes to shoot full manual. I just don't understand the obsession with it. I'm willing to bet that those with an apperture ring lens never move it off the "A" setting anyway. Here's my reason; this camera requires an aperture ring for direct control over the aperture. As you can see in the picture, it's not on "A". Another reason people have is for reversing a lens for macro work requires an aperture ring on the reversed lens.

07-18-2012, 04:38 PM	#26
kenafein Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southern California Photos: Albums Posts: 4,082	Originally posted by twitch Here's my reason; this camera requires an aperture ring for direct control over the aperture. As you can see in the picture, it's not on "A". Another reason people have is for reversing a lens for macro work requires an aperture ring on the reversed lens. Or simply using extension tubes.

07-18-2012, 05:01 PM	#27
slackercruster Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NE, USA Posts: 1,302 Original Poster	I am an old cruster and don't have to think about how to do it. I shoot manual and that is how I like it most of the time.

07-18-2012, 05:26 PM	#28
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by kenafein Or simply using extension tubes. Or if you want to use film cameras that can't change the aperture.

07-22-2012, 04:12 PM	#29
Marc Sabatella Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denver, CO Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,685	If being able to use on some particular film camera is the main criteria, seems it would be more relevant to simply say so than to obscure the issue by making it be just about aperture ring. After all, an APS-C lens with an aperture ring won't help either.

07-22-2012, 05:09 PM	#30
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Marc Sabatella If being able to use on some particular film camera is the main criteria, seems it would be more relevant to simply say so than to obscure the issue by making it be just about aperture ring. After all, an APS-C lens with an aperture ring won't help either. I can't think of an aps-c Pentax lens with an aperture ring.