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08-09-2012, 07:58 PM   #1
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Why is 44m-7 so "good"

Why do so many people like the Helios 44m-7, what's better about it compared to the helios 44-2.

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HiNicole,
those are quite different lenses. I have both and the 44-2 has a great classic look with some interesting bokeh, sometimes swirly. great for shallow DOF close shooting and portraits. not ultimate sharpness but great character. The 44M-7 is extremely sharp and renders beautiful stopped down images, great color. By comparison, the bokeh is boring compared to 44-2 but certainly acceptable. The sharpness is nearly as good as my limiteds. did i say it's sharp?

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old thread with many dead links, but check here:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/97960-lovin-he...8mm-f-2-a.html

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here's a recent bokeh shot with the 44M-7, probably f/4





This is several years old, but shows the swirly bokeh of the 44-2, also at f/4:




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Whoa, beautiful shot!
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QuoteOriginally posted by mikeSF Quote
HiNicole, those are quite different lenses. I have both and the 44-2 has a great classic look with some interesting bokeh, sometimes swirly. great for shallow DOF close shooting and portraits. not ultimate sharpness but great character. The 44M-7 is extremely sharp and renders beautiful stopped down images, great color. By comparison, the bokeh is boring compared to 44-2 but certainly acceptable. The sharpness is nearly as good as my limiteds. did i say it's sharp?

Thanks. Let's say I'm planning on getting a Helios 44-2 and a SMC Tak. 50mm 1.4. Would it be useless to buy the 44m-7? Because the Helios has beautiful bokeh, and I'm buying the tak. for the 1.4, the sharpness and the great color.

I really want a VERY shallow depth of field for not-close-ups, I want to be quite far from the camera and still have the background blurred. Anything you can recommend? (main reason why I have decided to get the takumar)
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QuoteOriginally posted by iNicole Quote
Thanks. Let's say I'm planning on getting a Helios 44-2 and a SMC Tak. 50mm 1.4. Would it be useless to buy the 44m-7? Because the Helios has beautiful bokeh, and I'm buying the tak. for the 1.4, the sharpness and the great color.

I really want a VERY shallow depth of field for not-close-ups, I want to be quite far from the camera and still have the background blurred. Anything you can recommend? (main reason why I have decided to get the takumar)

well, i also have that Tak 50/1.7...and Cosina 55/1.2...and Pentax M50/1.7...and...LBA issues with fast 50's, lol.

i like the bokeh of the Tak but don't consider it a sharp lens with great color compared to the Helios 44M-7. M-7 wins there easily, IMO.

So you want the subject far from the camera and get shallow DOF, right? depends on the size of the subject (people?), but i'd go with a longer focal length that 58, maybe 77, 85...under f/2.

Also, the closer to min focus distance, the more pleasing the separation and bokeh (assuming a distant background) - that is my opinion

Also, look at the Cosina 55/1.2...golly, i love the bokeh from that lens...if you have a few hours to spare, visit the Cosina lens club thread.

good luck!

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QuoteOriginally posted by iNicole Quote
Thanks. Let's say I'm planning on getting a Helios 44-2 and a SMC Tak. 50mm 1.4. Would it be useless to buy the 44m-7? Because the Helios has beautiful bokeh, and I'm buying the tak. for the 1.4, the sharpness and the great color.

I really want a VERY shallow depth of field for not-close-ups, I want to be quite far from the camera and still have the background blurred. Anything you can recommend? (main reason why I have decided to get the takumar)
If you have an estimate of the distance to your subject, plug some lenses into a depth of field calculator. One example I tried was a 55mm f1.2 (Cosina) compared to a 90mm f2.5 (Tamron macro). The Tamron has a shallower depth of field. Bokeh for these two will be much different.

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I really want a VERY shallow depth of field for not-close-ups, I want to be quite far from the camera and still have the background blurred. Anything you can recommend? (main reason why I have decided to get the takumar)
In that case, a 135mm could be a better choice. Longer working distance, greater dof control can be achieved over a 58mm. There are several Takumar to choose from or third party. Inexpensive Takumar Bayonet was used to take this

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Also Samyang 85 is one to think, if you want more distance with your target and smooth Oof.
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as long as we are recommending longer focal lengths, i like the SMC Takumar 105/2.8 for isolating that background as well as the (modern) Tamron 90/2.8...granted, you won't get the really interesting bokeh that Helios 44-2 gives you. There are some longer Russian lenses that are inexpensive and render that cool bokeh. I don't know them well however, but did borrow a Jupiter 9 which i recall was like 85mm or something...others will know.
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What I do really like with Helios 44 M is Oof and Bokeh. Here is some exmples form me. Who is not anyway professional...just for fun shooting.





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