Originally posted by crewl1 Part of the fun is searching for bargains out in the wild. The folks here are very well informed and unless they are desperate to sell you will not find a real bargain here, items will sell at the going rate.
I want an efficient marketplace - not just a bargain bin. An efficient marketplace could mean a bargain offer if the seller needs cash quick. It could also be an efficient market if a seller is prepared to wait for a buyer needing to buy the lens very quickly at a modest discount to new - or even a premium. As for information, an efficient marketplace is one in which I receive targeted information (e.g. don't see Canon/Nikon lenses that don't apply as per Ebay searches).
Without open comments on the price/value, the market is restricted to those that have insight to the real value and are in the market for that particular item itself.
With open comments, those with insight are allowed to freely post their thoughts and thereby open the market up to those that are in the market for that type of item but are otherwise unsure of their knowledge (e.g. me). Especially for legacy lenses, it's precisely those owners who have the most insight and it's their comments I want most (price included).
Individual offers might suffer the loss of the occasional 'opportunistic sucker sell', but the marketplace as a whole will benefit if more people are informed and inviting new people to the Pentax forum and brand.
Speaking for myself, I think that more sales are lost due to a lack of confidence in one's level of knowledge - especially as it relates to value. I, for one, would probably experiment with many lenses at many price points if I knew I was getting a decent value and would have a reasonable chance at recouping 80-90% of my original investment (less wear) - thereby allowing me to buy more lenses and experience the wonder of the interchangeable slr system.
Sure, the information is 'out there', but as it relates to efficiency, I'd like to gain more information, quicker. That would let me spend more time taking pictures and less time trawling for the elusive 'value' info. And if it's right there in the sales offer, that makes it quicker for me to analyze, and ultimately buy.
Originally posted by crewl1 The problem with this is that it is the internet after all, populated by all types of personalities, and it only takes a couple of idiots to ruin things.
Sure, we're all animals and we're all idiots at times. That's why we have society, and polite society is based on open discussion. If you want to promote animal behavior in people, put their thoughts in a cage. That's why I growled when I saw the 'big gouge' reflected in the used-more-expensive-than-new postings.
Originally posted by crewl1 You can create a poll to see how folks feel about a change in the rules. I would vote to keep the rules as they exist as I feel it is proven to work well and keeps the activity civil and respectful.
I think we all know how to be civil even if we don't agree. Rules are societal norms. I would suggest that people are already very respectful on the forums and would be more likely to remain so if their comments were publicly viewed and open to like/dislike. Numerous sellers have talked about being 'abused' and 'beaten down' via PM. I think the comments would be more gracious and informed if they were publicly made and attached to their account for all to see (ie ill advised comments would degrade reputation).
We all know people in life who are 'skin flints' and 'tire kickers'. If a seller wants a harmonious carefree selling experience that doesn't include the nagging of the unwashed masses, he/she could restrict PMs and/or comments to those that have a certain level of 'rep points'. Conversely, if another buyer likes the haggling, let them set the tone as such. And of course, the seller wouldn't necessarily need to read the comments at all if they were 'above the fray'.
My point is...do we need a rule that restricts comments? Can't sellers determine that on a case by case basis?
I think something better than Ebay could exist, and I don't think the Pentax forum marketplace is the pinnacle of information or product exchanges. Surely all things can be improved.