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09-04-2012, 07:30 AM   #16
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The Arsat does establish a price point for the Samyang. Hopefully we'll know more pretty soon.

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QuoteOriginally posted by elliott Quote
What is "cheap enough"? Keep in mind it is competing with $2000 Canon and Nikon lenses that are also manual focus.
Probably < $1000 (ideally in the ~$600 range)

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All of their lenses are manual focus though, the $450 Samyang 35mm f1.4 isn't necessarily competing with the $830 Nikon 35mm f1.4 because the Nikon is auto focus. You're not giving up anything with the tilt/shift because they are all manual focus, if the tilt and shift ranges are similar and optical quality is similar, I doubt it will be under $1000.
Well, they may not sell as many then. If they could release it at a price point under $1k, they'd really have a market share...

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How have they done in the past in comparison to other makers? There seems to be a trend in Samyang's offerings toward higher prices.
Do you mean that Samyang's prices are rising with each new lens release?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ubuntu_user Quote
Do you mean that Samyang's prices are rising with each new lens release?
Yes, as I recall their releases are each more expensive than the last. The 85/1.4 runs $299 and the newer ones are like the 35/1.4 are around $550-600, and the 24/1.4 are going for $699.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Docrwm Quote
The 85/1.4 runs $299 and the newer ones are like the 35/1.4 are around $550-600, and the 24/1.4 are going for $699.
To be fair, those are increasingly complicated lenses to design and construct.
The optics of the 24/3.5 should be simpler than those of the 24/1.4,
although of course the covering circle will be larger (more like 6x6 rather than FF).

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Props to Samyang for even entering this marketspace... T/S is (IMHO) pretty much the nichey-est of niches in lens exotica. Canon, Nikon, Hasselblad, Schneider, Hartblei... and who else is making these? (Kiev Arsenal/Arsat is long gone, only selling off leftovers)
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QuoteOriginally posted by panoguy Quote
Props to Samyang for even entering this marketspace... T/S is (IMHO) pretty much the nichey-est of niches in lens exotica. Canon, Nikon, Hasselblad, Schneider, Hartblei... and who else is making these? (Kiev Arsenal/Arsat is long gone, only selling off leftovers)
Well Pentax did make there's for quite a long time (it was a K but i think it was in production until 2004, unfortunately 28 is a little too long for apsc T/S), If they launch a FF I could see this making a comeback
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QuoteOriginally posted by eddie1960 Quote
Well Pentax did make there's for quite a long time
Shift only, no tilt. (I want one anyway.)
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QuoteOriginally posted by baro-nite Quote
Shift only, no tilt. (I want one anyway.)
my local dealer had one for 485 last time i was in

For apsc a 17 like the Canon is more ideal, but i don't think it is worth the investment on pentax' part until many other items are sorted

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Doesn't Arax also make a 20mm tilt shift?
But very exciting indeed. Hopefully will fill a void in the Pentax line.
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I think Arax makes a 35mm and an 85mm, both full frame, and I believe for Pentax you have to buy it in m42 mount. I wonder if the Smayang will have auto aperture?
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QuoteOriginally posted by maxfield_photo Quote
I wonder if the Smayang will have auto aperture?
That would be an interesting trick to pull off, since all of the aperture stuff is in front of the tilt and shift mechanism, it makes mechanical linkage very impractical.
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I wonder if the Samyang will have auto aperture?
This image (of the Canon version):

http://3.static.img-dpreview.com/files/news/1320030380/samyang-ts-24mm-3.jpg?v=1573

includes an "EOS" mark on the aperture ring.
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If I understand the Canon system right, all their lenses have electronically-controlled aperture blades, so their mount already sends aperture information electronically. A Pentax version would have to have a mechanical linkage to the camera's aperture control arm, then convert that to a signal and send it to the motor that moves the blades. They could use the same blade control system that is in the Canon version, so no need to invent something new for that end, just on the mount end. Then they could license the mechanical to electrical tech to other third-party lens makers for their Pentax-mount lenses, so it will be really easy to start with Canon-capable lenses and create K-mount versions.
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They could use the same blade control system that is in the Canon version, so no need to invent something new for that end, just on the mount end.
Where would they get the power for this?
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QuoteOriginally posted by elliott Quote
Where would they get the power for this?
Solar!

OK, SDM contacts. It has to be some order of magnitude less than the power needed for focus.
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