Hoods on APS-C, Part Deux

KHatfull · 10-26-2012, 07:10 AM

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Greetings,

A month ago I posted asking about what hood could be used with a A50/1.7 on APS-C. Got some very helpful responses, thanks.

However, the prime collection has since grown to the following:

A24/2.8
A28/2.8
A35/2.8
A50/1.7
A135/2.8
A200/2.8

Yes, there's an obvious gap I'm going to have a hard time filling with an A(*) lens...I digress

The recommendation for the A50 was a "tele" hood from eBay, screw in, Heavystar, etc. But now with lenses like the 24 and 28 I'm wondering what mix of hoods I should get. I am a firm believer in hoods to get the best out of your lenses. Considering the typical eBay-style screw in metal hoods would I be looking at something like this?

A24/2.8 - Wide 52mm - New Metal Wide Angle 52mm Screw in Lens Hood Cap | eBay
A28/2.8 - Standard 49mm - New Metal Standard 49mm Screw in Lens Hood Cap | eBay
A35/2.8 - Standard 49mm - New Metal Standard 49mm Screw in Lens Hood Cap | eBay
A50/1.7 - Tele 49mm - New Metal Tele 49mm Screw in Lens Hood Cap | eBay
A135/2.8 - Deeper Tele 52mm - 52mm 52 mm Lens Hood Metal Tele Lens Tele Lens Hood | eBay
A200/2.8 - Deeper Tele 52mm - 52mm 52 mm Lens Hood Metal Tele Lens Tele Lens Hood | eBay

Am I barking up the right tree here? I guess I'm most unsure of the 24 and 28...can the 24 take a standard or does the 28 need a wide?

I'd appreciate any feedback as I need to get an order placed soon

Thanks!

TaoMaas · 10-26-2012, 07:35 AM

The one for the 28mm is the only one that looks to me like it might give you trouble...otherwise, I think you're probably fine. I don't know if you're able to combine shipping on all these hoods, but if you aren't, you might consider ordering the hoods for the 35mm and 24mm...and see which one works best on the 28mm.

**paulh** · 10-26-2012, 07:37 AM

I've been using the standard hood for my 28s, 35s, & 50s, and they seem to work well. Not sure about the 24 or your longer lenses. If you're not opposed to a rubber hood, those 3-way collapsibles are very versatile giving you a full range of uses.

KHatfull · 10-26-2012, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

The one for the 28mm is the only one that looks to me like it might give you trouble...otherwise, I think you're probably fine. I don't know if you're able to combine shipping on all these hoods, but if you aren't, you might consider ordering the hoods for the 35mm and 24mm...and see which one works best on the 28mm.

On all but the two long ones, which are free shipping anyway, yes. Good point. The wide hood is the wrong thread size for the 28 but holding it up should let me know I suppose, thanks.

Originally posted by paulh

I've been using the standard hood for my 28s, 35s, & 50s, and they seem to work well. Not sure about the 24 or your longer lenses. If you're not opposed to a rubber hood, those 3-way collapsibles are very versatile giving you a full range of uses.

I dunno, the rubber ones just don't do a lot for me even though, yes, they are versatile. I'm pretty sure the 135 and the 200 are fine with that hood...it's only marginally deeper than, say the real hood for the Takumar 135 from the pics I've seen. Should be ok. The wides are the hard ones to judge.

audiobomber · 10-26-2012, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by paulh

I've been using the standard hood for my 28s, 35s, & 50s, and they seem to work well.

Same here, I use a 49mm standard rubber hood on my Vivitar 28mm 2.8, FA 28, FA 35 and FA 50 1.4. A 49mm standard metal hood will be fine for the 28mm. One of these days I will buy a tele hood for the 50mm.

I hate the three-stage rubber hoods. The two I have won't stay in the position I set and they're huge compared to regular rubber hoods.

**THoog** · 10-26-2012, 07:48 AM

From my experience, the 28mm (eff. 42mm) is fine with a standard 49mm metal hood. I just tried a standard 52mm metal hood on my A24, and didn't see any vignetting. I think my metal hoods are either from Heavystar or very similar to his.

msatlas · 10-26-2012, 07:52 AM

I think you've got the bases pretty well covered. The 24mm should definitely stick with a wide hood. The 28mm is sorta on the wide end of normal, so you should probably be ok with a normal hood. If anything, I'd err on the side of a wide hood. The main benefit of using a hood aside from helping with flare, is to increase contrast by reducing veiling (stray light hitting the front element from extreme side angles). A hood designed for the lens' angle of view on FF should still do a good job on APS-C.

audiobomber · 10-26-2012, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by KHatfull

I dunno, the rubber ones just don't do a lot for me even though, yes, they are versatile.

I prefer simple rubber hoods (not 3-stage) over metal for three reasons:
1. They collapse to virtually nothing in the bag. Metal hoods are bulky.
2. You don't have to remove a rubber hood to add or adjust a CPL, you just pop the hood into collapsed position, fiddle with the CPL, and pop the hood forward again.
3. They're inexpensive.

JohnX · 10-26-2012, 08:51 AM

Bit of a technical read, but this might help?

Lens hoods

Roob-N-Boots · 10-26-2012, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by audiobomber

I hate the three-stage rubber hoods. The two I have won't stay in the position I set

I used rubber cement inside the crease on the rubber hood attached to my F28, so every time I open it it only opens up to the "standard" position.

snostorm · 10-26-2012, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by audiobomber

I prefer simple rubber hoods (not 3-stage) over metal for three reasons:
1. They collapse to virtually nothing in the bag. Metal hoods are bulky.
.

Hi Dan,

I guess our perceptions of "bulky" aren't really all that different. . .

(re: Sto Fens thread)

Scott

audiobomber · 10-26-2012, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by snostorm

Hi Dan,

I guess our perceptions of "bulky" aren't really all that different. . .

(re: Sto Fens thread)

Scott

The difference may be that I leave the diffusor on the flash all the time, so it only adds an extra 1/2" to the flash head.

KHatfull · 10-26-2012, 11:37 AM

Just for fun, the family minus a few...

35/2.8 - In transit from seller.
28/2.8 and 135/2.8 - Currently residing with Eric Hendrickson for CLAs.
24/2.8, 50/1.7, 200/4 - Present and accounted for!

They'll all be much happier with proper hoods

pero · 10-26-2012, 11:51 AM

i've bought four of these from Heavystar, they're great.

I use the 49mm standard on an M28/2.8 and it's perfect. I guess the standard would be fine for a 24mm as well.

I think you can go with a bit longer hoods than you think for APS-C. I use a 67mm tele hood for my A35-105/3.5 zoom. There is absolutely no vignetting at 35mm. So perhaps you can use a 49mm tele hood for the 35mm lens as well? If you already have that hood it's easy to check once you get the lens.

For the longer tele lenses you could probably use a tube from your vacum cleaner...

10-26-2012, 07:10 AM	#1
KHatfull Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 98	Hoods on APS-C, Part Deux Staff note: This post may contain affiliate links, which means Pentax Forums may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. If you would like to support the forum directly, you may also make a donation here. Greetings, A month ago I posted asking about what hood could be used with a A50/1.7 on APS-C. Got some very helpful responses, thanks. However, the prime collection has since grown to the following: A24/2.8 A28/2.8 A35/2.8 A50/1.7 A135/2.8 A200/2.8 Yes, there's an obvious gap I'm going to have a hard time filling with an A(*) lens...I digress The recommendation for the A50 was a "tele" hood from eBay, screw in, Heavystar, etc. But now with lenses like the 24 and 28 I'm wondering what mix of hoods I should get. I am a firm believer in hoods to get the best out of your lenses. Considering the typical eBay-style screw in metal hoods would I be looking at something like this? A24/2.8 - Wide 52mm - New Metal Wide Angle 52mm Screw in Lens Hood Cap \| eBay A28/2.8 - Standard 49mm - New Metal Standard 49mm Screw in Lens Hood Cap \| eBay A35/2.8 - Standard 49mm - New Metal Standard 49mm Screw in Lens Hood Cap \| eBay A50/1.7 - Tele 49mm - New Metal Tele 49mm Screw in Lens Hood Cap \| eBay A135/2.8 - Deeper Tele 52mm - 52mm 52 mm Lens Hood Metal Tele Lens Tele Lens Hood \| eBay A200/2.8 - Deeper Tele 52mm - 52mm 52 mm Lens Hood Metal Tele Lens Tele Lens Hood \| eBay Am I barking up the right tree here? I guess I'm most unsure of the 24 and 28...can the 24 take a standard or does the 28 need a wide? I'd appreciate any feedback as I need to get an order placed soon Thanks!

10-26-2012, 07:47 AM	#5
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by paulh I've been using the standard hood for my 28s, 35s, & 50s, and they seem to work well. Same here, I use a 49mm standard rubber hood on my Vivitar 28mm 2.8, FA 28, FA 35 and FA 50 1.4. A 49mm standard metal hood will be fine for the 28mm. One of these days I will buy a tele hood for the 50mm. I hate the three-stage rubber hoods. The two I have won't stay in the position I set and they're huge compared to regular rubber hoods. Last edited by audiobomber; 10-26-2012 at 08:02 AM.

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10-26-2012, 07:35 AM	#2
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	The one for the 28mm is the only one that looks to me like it might give you trouble...otherwise, I think you're probably fine. I don't know if you're able to combine shipping on all these hoods, but if you aren't, you might consider ordering the hoods for the 35mm and 24mm...and see which one works best on the 28mm.

10-26-2012, 07:37 AM	#3
paulh Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: DFW Texas/Ventura County, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 33,307	I've been using the standard hood for my 28s, 35s, & 50s, and they seem to work well. Not sure about the 24 or your longer lenses. If you're not opposed to a rubber hood, those 3-way collapsibles are very versatile giving you a full range of uses.

10-26-2012, 07:45 AM	#4
KHatfull Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 98 Original Poster	Originally posted by TaoMaas The one for the 28mm is the only one that looks to me like it might give you trouble...otherwise, I think you're probably fine. I don't know if you're able to combine shipping on all these hoods, but if you aren't, you might consider ordering the hoods for the 35mm and 24mm...and see which one works best on the 28mm. On all but the two long ones, which are free shipping anyway, yes. Good point. The wide hood is the wrong thread size for the 28 but holding it up should let me know I suppose, thanks. Originally posted by paulh I've been using the standard hood for my 28s, 35s, & 50s, and they seem to work well. Not sure about the 24 or your longer lenses. If you're not opposed to a rubber hood, those 3-way collapsibles are very versatile giving you a full range of uses. I dunno, the rubber ones just don't do a lot for me even though, yes, they are versatile. I'm pretty sure the 135 and the 200 are fine with that hood...it's only marginally deeper than, say the real hood for the Takumar 135 from the pics I've seen. Should be ok. The wides are the hard ones to judge.

10-26-2012, 07:48 AM	#6
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	From my experience, the 28mm (eff. 42mm) is fine with a standard 49mm metal hood. I just tried a standard 52mm metal hood on my A24, and didn't see any vignetting. I think my metal hoods are either from Heavystar or very similar to his.

10-26-2012, 07:52 AM	#7
msatlas Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 309	I think you've got the bases pretty well covered. The 24mm should definitely stick with a wide hood. The 28mm is sorta on the wide end of normal, so you should probably be ok with a normal hood. If anything, I'd err on the side of a wide hood. The main benefit of using a hood aside from helping with flare, is to increase contrast by reducing veiling (stray light hitting the front element from extreme side angles). A hood designed for the lens' angle of view on FF should still do a good job on APS-C.

10-26-2012, 08:00 AM	#8
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by KHatfull I dunno, the rubber ones just don't do a lot for me even though, yes, they are versatile. I prefer simple rubber hoods (not 3-stage) over metal for three reasons: 1. They collapse to virtually nothing in the bag. Metal hoods are bulky. 2. You don't have to remove a rubber hood to add or adjust a CPL, you just pop the hood into collapsed position, fiddle with the CPL, and pop the hood forward again. 3. They're inexpensive.

10-26-2012, 08:51 AM	#9
JohnX Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London Posts: 1,116	Bit of a technical read, but this might help? Lens hoods

10-26-2012, 09:08 AM	#10
Roob-N-Boots Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Palm Springs CA Posts: 393	Originally posted by audiobomber I hate the three-stage rubber hoods. The two I have won't stay in the position I set I used rubber cement inside the crease on the rubber hood attached to my F28, so every time I open it it only opens up to the "standard" position.

10-26-2012, 09:42 AM	#11
snostorm Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago suburb, IL, USA Posts: 1,535	Originally posted by audiobomber I prefer simple rubber hoods (not 3-stage) over metal for three reasons: 1. They collapse to virtually nothing in the bag. Metal hoods are bulky. . Hi Dan, I guess our perceptions of "bulky" aren't really all that different. . . (re: Sto Fens thread) Scott

10-26-2012, 10:13 AM	#12
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by snostorm Hi Dan, I guess our perceptions of "bulky" aren't really all that different. . . (re: Sto Fens thread) Scott The difference may be that I leave the diffusor on the flash all the time, so it only adds an extra 1/2" to the flash head.

10-26-2012, 11:37 AM	#13
KHatfull Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 98 Original Poster	Just for fun, the family minus a few... 35/2.8 - In transit from seller. 28/2.8 and 135/2.8 - Currently residing with Eric Hendrickson for CLAs. 24/2.8, 50/1.7, 200/4 - Present and accounted for! They'll all be much happier with proper hoods

10-26-2012, 11:51 AM	#14
pero Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Malmö, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 128	i've bought four of these from Heavystar, they're great. I use the 49mm standard on an M28/2.8 and it's perfect. I guess the standard would be fine for a 24mm as well. I think you can go with a bit longer hoods than you think for APS-C. I use a 67mm tele hood for my A35-105/3.5 zoom. There is absolutely no vignetting at 35mm. So perhaps you can use a 49mm tele hood for the 35mm lens as well? If you already have that hood it's easy to check once you get the lens. For the longer tele lenses you could probably use a tube from your vacum cleaner...