Originally posted by DSims Are you suggesting the Sigma is great within the first stop?
It depends on your definition of "great". By reading your post, I doubt we would agree. I have absolutely no problem using the Sigma 17-70 at its widest aperture at any focal length. Of course it improves when stopped down.
Look at the comparative review of the various 17-70 lenses here on pentaxforums (written by yours truly). You'll see what I refer to.
Originally posted by DSims In my book a quality lens only needs to be stopped down 1/3 stop, or in some cases 2/3.
Again, "need" might not mean the same thing for both of us. My new 60-250 will see action mostly wide open, my DA21 is often at f3.2 but I rarely use my F50 f1,7 wider than f2. It really depends on the lens. My DFA 100 macro is as good wide open as it is at f8.
Originally posted by DSims I had the Pentax 17-70 and got good results at f/4.5 throughout the range
True, it's a sharp lens at most apertures. However, there is more to an image than sharpness, and I assume by "good" you mean "sharp". For instance, DOF will influence the final output more than sharpness in some cases.
Originally posted by DSims With Sigmas I feel like it's almost false advertising - promising something they can't deliver on with usable quality.
I don't see how you can make that claim if you've never used the 17-70. My own experience, and reviews/user reports all around the web suggest otherwise. And it holds true for their other lenses I've used/seen reviews of.