Originally posted by RobG On the other hand, a 600mm f4 lens will get you full frame on a bird without having to disturb it so much. I would love to have the time to justify working with a 600mm f4 lens! I think you reflected what someone else said - which is that with birds (and frankly wildlife in general) it's more useful to get close than to use a really long lens. Thanks for your input!
Close works very very well. A rule of thumb that I created for myself a very long time ago was based around a 400mm lens then on a full frame
film camera. I looked up in my trig tables the field of view for a 400mm lens which on full frame came out to 10% of the distance. I then
adjust in my head from there... First the APS-C size helps a lot so that's a plus, and I think about whether my lens is longer or shorter
than 400 mm... ----- if you look back at my fist photo taken with the 250---- which should have the effective focal length of close to 400
on an APS-C--- you look at the bird--- a seagull--- fairly large bird... estimate the field of view from the photo--- maybe 1 foot or more or if you think in metric perhaps a 1/3rd of a meter... Multiple the result by 10 and you come out something over 10 feet or around 3 meters.
This give you a place to start thinking..---- double the focal length you can double the distance. I could have taken the first photo at 6 meters
distance instead of 3 meters with a 500 mm glass but it still means that getting really close is really important.
Another thing not mentioned--- the longer the lens--- the shallower the depth of field---and I mean really shallow as close range.
There are a couple reasons that I keep my 400mm f2.8 as well has having the 600 f/4. One was that when I was shopping
for a 'long lens' I found the 400 first, but the other is that it has significantly more depth of field, and if you need to prefocus
on a place you expect birds to come----you will have a lot better luck using the 400 with at T/C than using the 600 because
the T/c doesn't alter the depth of field.
Another consideration in the US at least is that the 400 in its carry case is small enough to qualify as carry on baggage, and the 600 isn't and if you plan on flying where there are carry on size limits. You will also need a large heavy tripod in any case for the exotic long glass with
a monopod or hand held working well at 300 and under.