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cmohr · 11-29-2012, 04:14 AM

I'll get one, IF. and i do say IF, one is ever released. Most nearly all my lenses are FF lenses, and my old 8mm circular Fisheye has been whining from the cupboard about not getting out anymore...

At the moment, I'm really thinking about a Q-10, Just saw a Silver one, with the Brown Leatherette... Sexy..

saladin · 12-01-2012, 06:20 AM

I have a 24-60, 70-200 and 150-500 which will all work as ff lenses. What I would still like -whether Pentax release a ff or not - is an fa77 or sigma 85. I will get one or the other. Where it gets difficult is at.the wide end. Been considering the 10-20, but also wondering if a 15-30 (if I can find one) might be the go as it would be ff compatible as well.

Oh, and i'll keep the k10 and k5. And add a ff when money allows.

Blue · 12-01-2012, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by tabl10s

will you go:

a)All FF and re-purchase your favorite non-FA lens

b)Stay with top APS-C

c)Do both?

I may go 2 FF/1 APS-C or vice-versa.

Since I currently have 4 Pentax dSLR plus the k-01, I would do both. I would likely sell off my K20d (maybe even the *istD

) but I may sell off the K20d anyway.

GibbyTheMole · 12-01-2012, 09:03 AM

I'll keep what I have & be happy. I've seen plenty of staggeringly awesome shots taken with the current Pentax APS-C cameras. People like Benjikan & Charis Talbot are proof that APS-C is plenty capable. No need for me to drop big $$$ into FF.

tibbitts · 12-01-2012, 10:10 AM

Not changing to FF anytime soon. In particular with Pentax, there are even fewer lens options (current, auto, AF) lenses in FF than in APS. It seems unlikely that that would change overnight with the introduction of a FF body. While backwards compatibility is nice, not everybody wants to use old lenses, and realistically lens technology is probably going to have to evolve to keep pace with FF bodies.

Paul

normhead · 12-01-2012, 11:06 AM

If I were going to answer this question, and based on my comparisons which have suggested that only the D800 among cameras currently available surpasses the k-5 in IQ, it would be

If an FF does debut, it probably won't have better IQ than a K-5.

snake · 12-01-2012, 11:22 AM

If a FF comes out, then my FA35 becomes a semi-wide angle (thank god) and my F50 1.7 becomes my all around street shooter.

I kind of hope Pentax really dazzles us by giving us a new, FF mirrorless that can back up the optics and improve on the K-01's minor shortcomings.

Adam · 12-01-2012, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by snake

I kind of hope Pentax really dazzles us by giving us a new, FF mirrorless that can back up the optics and improve on the K-01's minor shortcomings.

They should make a traditional FF built for speed, and get rid of the mirror in the 645D IMO. Pointless having one because it really slows things down!

abacus07 · 12-02-2012, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by tibbitts

Not changing to FF anytime soon. In particular with Pentax, there are even fewer lens options (current, auto, AF) lenses in FF than in APS. It seems unlikely that that would change overnight with the introduction of a FF body. While backwards compatibility is nice, not everybody wants to use old lenses, and realistically lens technology is probably going to have to evolve to keep pace with FF bodies.

Paul

What part of lens technology is going to evolve aside from coatings?

Also there's nothing wrong with 'old' lenses (at least the primes) aside from one's preference for AF/MF and aperture control from the camera. However the money is made from lenses and not bodies so if/when there is a FF Pentax will also need to release several lenses including a complete set of zooms.

lytrytyr · 12-02-2012, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by abacus07

What part of lens technology is going to evolve aside from coatings?

As coatings improve, it becomes possible to use more elements to obtain better corrections.

For example, the Zeiss Z* 35/2, with 9 elements, has just been replaced by the Z* 35/1.4 with 11 elements.

Its competitor, the new Sigma 35/1.4, incorporates a newly developed "FLD glass,"
which is supposed to be like the calcium fluoride elements used in the best Coastal Optics lenses.

Lens technology has to evolve to keep up with the new sensors.
Compare the Photozone reviews of the FA 43 on the K10 and the K5:
"The Pentax SMC FA 43mm f/1.9 Limited produced mixed feelings during the tests (performed at 16mp).
This is in so far surprising that the lens performed rather nicely in our initial test based on the Pentax K10D (at 10mp)."

jco · 12-02-2012, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by bdery

Because there is no reason to go FF in 2012

Not with the current market trends, that is. Go APS or go MF, FF serves no real purpose.

Advantages of FF vs. APS-C

better high ISO performance
better overall resolution even with lower quality lenses
bigger better viewfinders
wider wide angle lenses ( no crop factor)
higher performance with virtually same size body and legacy lenses
higher overall resolution possible
probably more than havent been named

jco · 12-02-2012, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by gabriel_bc

If (when) FF does come out, I'm more worried about the effect on the used lens market than anything. I doubt you'll see lenses like the F35-70 go for $50 in a Pentax FF world. For the last year or so I've been getting my FF/AF ducks in a row...

Ive already scored all my Pentax FF lenses. I have dozens of K/M/A lenses on hand and a FF body to fully utilize them would really hit the spot right now....

snake · 12-02-2012, 05:20 AM

Originally posted by jco

Advantages of FF vs. APS-C

better high ISO performance

Not in all cases.

Quote:

better overall resolution even with lower quality lenses

Not in all cases. See what people are saying about the D800.

Quote:

bigger better viewfinders

Correct.

Quote:

wider wide angle lenses ( no crop factor)

Correct, when available.

Quote:

higher performance with virtually same size body and legacy lenses

Not in all cases.

Quote:

higher overall resolution possible

Possible, but not in all cases.

Quote:

probably more than havent been named

Because you were already reaching a bit far.

SteveTheOldMan · 12-02-2012, 07:03 AM

I'd probably stick with APS-C for 2 reasons:
1. Budget (though if I make any new purchases I'll probably make sure they'll work on FF equipment.)
2. I like shooting sports - what I would lose in "reach" would probably kill me!

(And please allow for a dumb question; what the heck is "IQ"?)

JohnBee · 12-02-2012, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by tabl10s

will you go:

a)All FF and re-purchase your favorite non-FA lens

b)Stay with top APS-C

c)Do both?

I may go 2 FF/1 APS-C or vice-versa.

I wouldn't likely invest in a first gen. FF Pentax camera given that most every line requires a time for maturity. Not to mention the limited no. of modern lenses that would come with a new FF body.

That being said, it's rather tough to justify a FF kit these days given the K-5's overall performance position. Not to mention the state of fast lenses that are now available for APS-C camera's today.

At any rate, I'd like hang back and wait for mirrorless technology to reach maturity before jumping the gun myself since this is likely going to the future.

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11-29-2012, 04:14 AM	#31
cmohr Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Brisbane. Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,824	I'll get one, IF. and i do say IF, one is ever released. Most nearly all my lenses are FF lenses, and my old 8mm circular Fisheye has been whining from the cupboard about not getting out anymore... At the moment, I'm really thinking about a Q-10, Just saw a Silver one, with the Brown Leatherette... Sexy..

12-01-2012, 06:20 AM	#32
saladin Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: outer eastern melbourne, australia Posts: 427	I have a 24-60, 70-200 and 150-500 which will all work as ff lenses. What I would still like -whether Pentax release a ff or not - is an fa77 or sigma 85. I will get one or the other. Where it gets difficult is at.the wide end. Been considering the 10-20, but also wondering if a 15-30 (if I can find one) might be the go as it would be ff compatible as well. Oh, and i'll keep the k10 and k5. And add a ff when money allows.

12-01-2012, 06:24 AM	#33
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by tabl10s will you go: a)All FF and re-purchase your favorite non-FA lens b)Stay with top APS-C c)Do both? I may go 2 FF/1 APS-C or vice-versa. Since I currently have 4 Pentax dSLR plus the k-01, I would do both. I would likely sell off my K20d (maybe even the *istD ) but I may sell off the K20d anyway.

12-01-2012, 09:03 AM	#34
GibbyTheMole Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Iowa Photos: Albums Posts: 2,275	I'll keep what I have & be happy. I've seen plenty of staggeringly awesome shots taken with the current Pentax APS-C cameras. People like Benjikan & Charis Talbot are proof that APS-C is plenty capable. No need for me to drop big $$$ into FF.

12-01-2012, 10:10 AM	#35
tibbitts Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Oklahoma USA Posts: 2,196	Not changing to FF anytime soon. In particular with Pentax, there are even fewer lens options (current, auto, AF) lenses in FF than in APS. It seems unlikely that that would change overnight with the introduction of a FF body. While backwards compatibility is nice, not everybody wants to use old lenses, and realistically lens technology is probably going to have to evolve to keep pace with FF bodies. Paul

12-01-2012, 11:06 AM	#36
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	If I were going to answer this question, and based on my comparisons which have suggested that only the D800 among cameras currently available surpasses the k-5 in IQ, it would be If an FF does debut, it probably won't have better IQ than a K-5.

12-01-2012, 11:22 AM	#37
snake Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: NY/Germany Posts: 1,183	If a FF comes out, then my FA35 becomes a semi-wide angle (thank god) and my F50 1.7 becomes my all around street shooter. I kind of hope Pentax really dazzles us by giving us a new, FF mirrorless that can back up the optics and improve on the K-01's minor shortcomings.

12-02-2012, 12:35 AM	#39
abacus07 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Taiwan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,075	Originally posted by tibbitts Not changing to FF anytime soon. In particular with Pentax, there are even fewer lens options (current, auto, AF) lenses in FF than in APS. It seems unlikely that that would change overnight with the introduction of a FF body. While backwards compatibility is nice, not everybody wants to use old lenses, and realistically lens technology is probably going to have to evolve to keep pace with FF bodies. Paul What part of lens technology is going to evolve aside from coatings? Also there's nothing wrong with 'old' lenses (at least the primes) aside from one's preference for AF/MF and aperture control from the camera. However the money is made from lenses and not bodies so if/when there is a FF Pentax will also need to release several lenses including a complete set of zooms.

12-02-2012, 01:00 AM	#40
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by abacus07 What part of lens technology is going to evolve aside from coatings? As coatings improve, it becomes possible to use more elements to obtain better corrections. For example, the Zeiss Z* 35/2, with 9 elements, has just been replaced by the Z* 35/1.4 with 11 elements. Its competitor, the new Sigma 35/1.4, incorporates a newly developed "FLD glass," which is supposed to be like the calcium fluoride elements used in the best Coastal Optics lenses. Lens technology has to evolve to keep up with the new sensors. Compare the Photozone reviews of the FA 43 on the K10 and the K5: "The Pentax SMC FA 43mm f/1.9 Limited produced mixed feelings during the tests (performed at 16mp). This is in so far surprising that the lens performed rather nicely in our initial test based on the Pentax K10D (at 10mp)."

12-02-2012, 01:48 AM	#41
jco Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Florida, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 39	Originally posted by bdery Because there is no reason to go FF in 2012 Not with the current market trends, that is. Go APS or go MF, FF serves no real purpose. Advantages of FF vs. APS-C better high ISO performance better overall resolution even with lower quality lenses bigger better viewfinders wider wide angle lenses ( no crop factor) higher performance with virtually same size body and legacy lenses higher overall resolution possible probably more than havent been named

12-02-2012, 01:58 AM	#42
jco Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Florida, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 39	Originally posted by gabriel_bc If (when) FF does come out, I'm more worried about the effect on the used lens market than anything. I doubt you'll see lenses like the F35-70 go for $50 in a Pentax FF world. For the last year or so I've been getting my FF/AF ducks in a row... Ive already scored all my Pentax FF lenses. I have dozens of K/M/A lenses on hand and a FF body to fully utilize them would really hit the spot right now....

12-02-2012, 05:20 AM	#43
snake Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: NY/Germany Posts: 1,183	Originally posted by jco Advantages of FF vs. APS-C better high ISO performance Not in all cases. Quote: better overall resolution even with lower quality lenses Not in all cases. See what people are saying about the D800. Quote: bigger better viewfinders Correct. Quote: wider wide angle lenses ( no crop factor) Correct, when available. Quote: higher performance with virtually same size body and legacy lenses Not in all cases. Quote: higher overall resolution possible Possible, but not in all cases. Quote: probably more than havent been named Because you were already reaching a bit far.

12-02-2012, 07:03 AM	#44
SteveTheOldMan Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Central MA, USA Posts: 63	I'd probably stick with APS-C for 2 reasons: 1. Budget (though if I make any new purchases I'll probably make sure they'll work on FF equipment.) 2. I like shooting sports - what I would lose in "reach" would probably kill me! (And please allow for a dumb question; what the heck is "IQ"?)

12-02-2012, 07:19 AM	#45
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by tabl10s will you go: a)All FF and re-purchase your favorite non-FA lens b)Stay with top APS-C c)Do both? I may go 2 FF/1 APS-C or vice-versa. I wouldn't likely invest in a first gen. FF Pentax camera given that most every line requires a time for maturity. Not to mention the limited no. of modern lenses that would come with a new FF body. That being said, it's rather tough to justify a FF kit these days given the K-5's overall performance position. Not to mention the state of fast lenses that are now available for APS-C camera's today. At any rate, I'd like hang back and wait for mirrorless technology to reach maturity before jumping the gun myself since this is likely going to the future.

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