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12-03-2012, 09:10 PM   #181

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12-03-2012, 09:14 PM   #182
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When I bought my last lens, a 70mm limited, I bought it used from somebody moving from Pentax to Canon, instead of buying a new lens.

Think about that, somebody is getting out and somebody else bought used...

PLEASE bring some sanity to the prices! ...Perhaps my next limited series lens will be a new one.
12-03-2012, 09:15 PM   #183
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I still have a Pentax K1000 with a 50/1.4, and I've owned three iterations of Pentax DSLR's. However, I quit using Pentax DSLR's after the K20D because of the insanely high lens prices. I'd already quit buying the Pentax lenses several years earlier, opting for the Sigma 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8 instead. I carried two bodies, two lenses, for full coverage, 24-200 (36-300, 35mm eq.) on the fly for weddings and other real jobs, but have always preferred primes for my personal use. It just got to the point that I couldn't afford Pentax glass anymore, or let's just say that Pentax seemed to like their glass more than I did. Don't get me wrong - I love Pentax, but I refuse to pay their price.

In all fairness, I feel the same way about Olympus. I went 4/3's for a while, but they're insanely expensive too. Now I use two OM1's with three primes and a Fujifilm X10 for personal use, 99% of the time, and haven't done a paying photography gig in over two years. (I'm getting a little long in the tooth and could use a CLA myself.)

It's a shame that Pentax can't seem to get their act together as far as lenses go - price and speed (or maybe it's just me). But still, I believe they have put together some really great innovations and implementations of the DSLR concept. I hope they can survive a few more years and continue to create, innovate and ultimately thrive, but they have a lot of challenges ahead of them. Right now I think Fujifilm is the one to watch. The X100, X10, X-E1and X-Pro1 are some of the most exciting products to come out of Japan (or Germany if you insist, not that I think they count that much anymore) but there's no reason that Pentax can't catch up and even surpass Fuji's recent accomplishments.

At any rate, we live in interesting times and my money is on Fuji, Olympus, and Pentax. I'll take them anyday over Canikon or Leica, even if money were no object. However, if you just happen to have a spare M9 and a 35/1.4 Summilux you don't need, shoot me an email! :>)

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12-03-2012, 09:16 PM   #184
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Lower prices!

12-03-2012, 09:19 PM   #185
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Another long-time Pentaxian not buying new lenses

I'm another long-time Pentax user (my first SLR was a Spotmatic) who has not bought a new Pentax lens since the poorly thought out increase in lens prices.
12-03-2012, 09:20 PM   #186
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Prices need to be more competitive with other brands.
Pentax offers amazing value on their camera bodies, but the same can't be said with lenses, and it's a reason why Pentax is struggling with marketshare and why many users are choosing third party lenses. Please stop this practice!
12-03-2012, 09:25 PM   #187
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Fair prices will most definitely help a noob like me expand my system - especially with no brick and mortar pentax dealer nearby.
12-03-2012, 09:26 PM   #188
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I am in, Pentax is about best bang for buck, no frills and rugged (mostly) DSLR system. Let's get re-aligned. This will also apply pressure to retail pricing elsewhere. And ultimately the aim is to attract more new comers to the family.

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Tamron lenses have supplanted Pentax in all my modern auto focus and long FL lenses. Price and service policies/cost is the primary reason.

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I haven't purchased a new Pentax brand K-mount lens in a while. The last lens I bought was a Sigma 28mm f/1.8 prime for $399 this past summer. Of course, it was on sale at the the time. But the alternative in that focal range - the FA 31mm Limited - was a non-starter at $1,000. If I wanted, I could buy Sigma's 30mm f/1.4 for well under $500.

You can see my Pentax kit in my signature below. You can't say that I don't want to buy Pentax glass. I purchased almost all of the lenses before the latest pricing policy took effect - but most after the general trend toward higher prices began under Hoya. At this point, I don't see my self adding much more Pentax glass - I simply can't afford it. A DA* 60-250? Are you kidding? But Pentax might be interested to know that I ordered an 06 zoom for my Q just today.
12-03-2012, 09:34 PM   #192
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QuoteOriginally posted by Adam Quote
It's time to put the online MSRP thing to an end. Back in April, through a "Unilateral Pricing Policy" (UPP), Pentax USA forced online retailers to start selling Pentax lenses at full MSRP rather than the then-lower MAP prices. Refer to the article below for an overview of the price jumps. Some lenses nearly doubled in price!

Brutal Pentax Lens Price Increase: 15-90% - Pentax Camera News & Rumors -

Since this change, online sales of Pentax lenses have virtually come to a standstill because of the high, artificially-inflated prices. I'm sure you guys can testify to that, especially if you opted to use the Marketplace or get Sigma lenses rather than new Pentax ones. Just because the DA* 16-50mm has an MSRP of $1500 doesn't mean that anyone in the right mind will buy a used copy at the new high price: in fact, used Pentax lens prices are generally lower than the old MAP prices.

All of a sudden, this Black Friday weekend, the UPP restriction was temporarily lifted, and Pentax lens prices fell sharply for a few days (but some were still higher than the old prices). Here's a little insight into what gear really started moving:

In just one day, well over 100 new Pentax lenses were sold to PF members alone. That's more that the total number sold to PF members after the introduction of the UPP but before Black Friday.

So what good is this UPP thing doing? None at all. When it originally came about, Ned Bunnell, former President of Pentax USA, blogged about the UPP, saying that the main goal of the policy was to protect smaller brick-and-mortar stores so that they don't have to compete with really low online prices. Well, that's great and all, but you can count on your fingers how many such stores there are. And the funny thing is that if you walk into any one of these stores, you'll see the old prices. The same applies if you call B&H or Adorama: you'll generally get the old prices as long as you mention it (and if you walk in to the store, there's no question about it) On top of all this, rumors have it the Pentax USA distributor requires retailers to place large orders, which causes smaller stores to lose interest in carrying the brand, given the tiny demand that there is for Pentax to begin with.

The UPP isn't going to change the fact that the largest audience for Pentax lenses is found online, because of the fact that Pentax users are few and far between. This means that the new policy has done nothing but prevented users otherwise interested in Pentax lenses from buying them.

Above: the Pentax DA* 50-135mm is the star of the UPP, jumping from $749 to $1599

I was on the phone with B&H again today, and after I mentioned the recent Adorama deals, their buyer agreed to drop the price of the 15mm limited to $539 when in cart. B&H said that if this deal ends up getting more copies of the lens sold, they will do their best to post similar deals in the future, even if Pentax doesn't get rid of the UPP. Lowering prices after adding to cart, without advertising them, is a gray area: Pentax can't really say that it's a violation of the UPP, but they certainly won't be happy about it. B&H admitted that it was nice to see some stock get cleared out during Black Friday, so hopefully they'll be giving Pentax stuff a little bit more attention from now on.

While I'm sure B&H will be the first to offer the best online Pentax lens prices, they alone won't be able to change the way things work, because Pentax lenses and cameras are dwarfed by all other DSLR brands.

Almost all other camera brands have unilateral pricing policies. The difference, however, is that in-store prices are the same as online prices, and that no lenses doubled in price from one day to the next. This keeps prices constant across the board and successfully protects the market, unlike the Pentax policy, which one might say was late to the game. So, Pentax, consider this a petition on behalf of our entire community asking you to rethink your online marketing strategy.

If the UPP has prevented or discouraged you from buying a Pentax lens, or even forced you to switch brands, and if you want prices to go back to normal, sign the petition by replying to this thread. Let's make this the biggest thread in the whole lens forum: hopefully it'll send a strong message!

And if you want, I can go on with more reasons for why the UPP is bad:
  • Competitors have similarly-priced full-frame glass
  • Sigma has cheaper lenses and also offers premium lenses
  • People will avoid new lenses in favor of cheap manual lenses
As much as I hate to do it, I'd like to ask that the replies be limited to members based in the US, or who regularly import Pentax lenses from US online retailers.
I'm going to have to wait a year or more to afford my next Pentax lens!
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I'm in. I have resorted to buying what lenses I can second hand. Competitor equivalents are more fairly priced.
12-03-2012, 09:40 PM   #194
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I don't really care if the prices are lower per se, but I would like for Pentax to pick something reasonable and stick with it. So, count me in.
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I'm in! I want Pentax name stuff , I'm proud of my K-5 and my 50mm 1.4 ....but that's all I can afford of brand..the rest of my bag are Tamrons...can't beat their prices :/

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