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12-26-2012, 03:57 PM   #1
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16-50 stolen, need some opinions on new Walk around

So here's my dilemma and situation

My 16-50, 50-200 and old 50mm prime are gone, and I need to find a suitable replacements.

My remaining lenses
tokina 80-200. love this lens and use it all the time
sigma 150-500 also love and use quite often
dfa50mm macro

Need WR since I hike quite a bit. Need wide angle for landscapes and what not.
Want something to compliment the 80-200 IQ wise, but also want something that I can take hiking with me and not worry about if it starts raining or most importantly, snowshoeing/xcountry with me and dealing with the cold and snow.
I prefer quickshift but it's not terribly important, although it seems most good lenses have it now. Probably the one thing I don't like about the tokina.
I'm a big guy with big hands, so while I have to replace my k20d likely with a k5 or k5II, I don't mind big lenses. The 80-200 and the 150-500 don't bother me while hiking even carrying the 150-500 just by the tripod collar is a non-issue.

I liked the 16-50, but I got lucky and didn't have any SDM problems.

Cost is less of a concern as practicality. I will almost always have the 80-200 with me, but as I've never had a high zoom walk around lens, how often do you guys find yourselves in that 50-135 range

Unfortunately Abes of Maine isn't actually in Maine anymore so the trek to NYC to actually try these is a problem, but figured I'd ask around here for opinions.

If the 17-70 or 17-50sigma were WR it would be a no brainer to go with them.

I understand the DA* sealing is higher quality than the WR seals.

Cost is less of a concern as practicality. I will almost always have the 80-200 with me, but as I've never had a high zoom walk around lens, how often do you guys find yourselves in that 50-135 range. If the answer is not often then I will likely go with the 16-50 and swap lenses as needed. If the answer is, all the bloody time, then I'll go with the 18-135.

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12-26-2012, 04:19 PM   #2
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What a shame to loose your lenses!

Just my quick opinion - if you enjoyed the DA* 16-50, get another one. It's a shame you didn't need one a few weeks ago when they were on special for $749. At the price it is now, I wouldn't buy a new one no matter how bad I wanted one.

Look for a good used one - they come up here on the Marketplace quite often. Also keep an eye on KEH as they have them quite often and come with a 6 month warranty.
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If you liked the DA*16-50 I would get another one. The 18-135 is nice but I think you will notice the difference in IQ.

According to posts here new 16-50's should not have any SDM issues. But the current 'list' price is definitely a problem. Give B&H or Adorama a call and ask them what they will sell it to you for. At $750 I would buy, at $1,500 no way.
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Does the pentax road map indicate that a new 16-50 is coming? There is no firm data for this or a couple of other lenses on the road map. Might be worth waiting for it. I was impatient and got the sigma 17-50

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QuoteOriginally posted by Bob from Aus Quote
Does the pentax road map indicate that a new 16-50 is coming?
Not really, the map shows a DA*16-85ish and a 22-38ish limited but not 16-50. I think Pentax made it clear that they have redesigned the 16-50 and 50-135 components to make them more reliable, so no reason to 'replace' it as they 're-designed' it. Supposedly anything made in 2012 has the new components.

The 16-85ish lens sounds very interesting although no word on whether it will be f/2.8 or f/4. I would consider trading in my 16-50 for this if it is f/2.8.
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forgot to mention I have a FA 100mm f2.8 to cover that range for primes

yeah at the current price the 16-50 is ridiculously overpriced, although if a 16-85 is in the roadmap that may be worth waiting for. That seems like a perfect range for a "walkaround" and even if it is just a constant F4 that will be good enough for my uses. I don't understand why pentax hasn't adopted WR for all of their lenses when they are marketing the living daylights out of the WR on the bodies.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Saxplayer1004 Quote
I don't understand why pentax hasn't adopted WR for all of their lenses when they are marketing the living daylights out of the WR on the bodies.
Agree, although to be fair Ricoh has not had much time to make those kinds of changes. And all of the DA* lenses are WR, in fact they are supposed to have better seals than the actual WR lenses.

Then you have the 18-135WR and the 18-55WR and the DFA 100WR. So I think they are moving in that direction at least for the higher end lenses. The DA35mm and the DA50mm are not of course but they are priced as entry level so I would not expect them to.
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I would like to know where people are getting the "16mm-85mm" range for the new DA* lens. The roadmap is far from explicit about its actual measurements, and there hasn't been any other sources out there I have come across that have confirmed a range for this lens.

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The reference to a DA Ltd zoom in the range to me spells out a high quality lens. What do you think?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Bob from Aus Quote
The reference to a DA Ltd zoom in the range to me spells out a high quality lens. What do you think?
I'm expecting a reworked version of the FA 20-35/4,
which BTW is still listed as current on Pentax Japan:
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QuoteOriginally posted by Saxplayer1004 Quote
I liked the 16-50, but I got lucky and didn't have any SDM problems. Cost is less of a concern as practicality. I will almost always have the 80-200 with me, but as I've never had a high zoom walk around lens, how often do you guys find yourselves in that 50-135 range
If cost is less of a concern than practicality then another DA*16-50 might be a better path...

also, in case its SDM fails...

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/maintenance-repair-articles/208353-how-de...m-f-2-8-a.html

Proven: It works (at least I bear witness for my friend and his DA*50-135, tested on a K-r)!
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Maybe get a 18-135 for now (BTW, it's a pretty good lens) and wait to see what this new zoom coming in 2013 is all about. At that point, you can sell the 18-135 and either get the new zoom or get a 16-50 which will likely be selling off at good prices to make way for the new one (or so one might guess).
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yeah, I may hold off on another 16-50 with the potential for a new DA* zoom next year. With that update I may just get a used k5 with a 18-55 and upgrade to the DA* when it comes out

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I know you need wr lens, but consider also DA 17-70 , very good lens.....IQ wise very close to DA16-50, although star lens may be a tiny bit sharper in the center. Although 17-70 is not wr, it has at least a seal on the mount to prevent water getting into camera.
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QuoteOriginally posted by EarlVonTapia Quote
I would like to know where people are getting the "16mm-85mm" range for the new DA* lens. The roadmap is far from explicit about its actual measurements, and there hasn't been any other sources out there I have come across that have confirmed a range for this lens.
That's why I said 'ish'. You can interpret the bar on the road map however you want as it is not definitive. But clearly it will be wider than 20mm and longer than 80mm. Anything else is pure guesswork.
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