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01-23-2013, 05:35 PM   #16
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Same difference as far as IQ is concerned. You should ask yourself, what exactly is it that you find lacking with the 18-55? I have a hard time believing it is sharpness. Also, what other lenses do you own already? Frankly, if I weren't yet covered on the uwa, portrait, tele, macro and low-light front, replacing the kit would be the last of my priorities. I'd get a Sigma 10-20, for instance, or a DA-35/2.4, or a 55/1.4, or the 55-300.
I find nothing lacking with the 18-55mm kit lens. Just asking if it made sense to replace it with a better lens now, or use the money for other lenses since this is the only lens in my arsenal at this time. The sigma 10-20 sounds good. I've been using the wide end of the kit lens frequently.

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I would base the decision on what focal length is the one you use the most on the 18-55. If it's always the lowest, go for the da15!

The 18-55 is actually quite good, for a kit lens. Depending on the type of subject you are shooting (and choice of parameters), there might or might not be a huge difference with the 2.8 zooms. I actually liked the look at 55mm f5.6 of my (ex) 18-55 II.
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I would base the decision on what focal length is the one you use the most on the 18-55. If it's always the lowest, go for the da15!

The 18-55 is actually quite good, for a kit lens. Depending on the type of subject you are shooting (and choice of parameters), there might or might not be a huge difference with the 2.8 zooms. I actually liked the look at 55mm f5.6 of my (ex) 18-55 II.
So you'd take the DA 15 over the Sigma 10-20?
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Its common knowledge pixie dust is fairy poop.
Bad-mouthing the 15mm Ltd. is blasphemy around here (and rightly so, I think!). Seriously--check out the "controls my mind" thread; you'll probably end up owning one.

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Bad-mouthing the 15mm Ltd. is blasphemy around here (and rightly so, I think!). Seriously--check out the "controls my mind" thread; you'll probably end up owning one.
Honestly I didn't know what pixie dust was until I googled it.
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Honestly I didn't know what pixie dust was until I googled it.
Turns out common knowledge isn't so common, is it?
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I've gone on the quest for the kit replacement, but the more I go down that road, the more I am impressed with what Pentax packed into that little package at such a small price. My first replacement was a Sigma 17-35/2.8. I did see a difference in the VF and in the sharpness at larger apertures on the K10/20d. Sharpness is worse than the kit on the K-x and K5. Then I went to the DA 17-70/4. I was very pleased with the DA 17-70 when it worked. Its focus failed during a shoot last year, and I finished with the kit at 20-30mm and F 7.1-8. The results from the kit were actually superb. It was a situation where I time and space did not permit me to change out primes.

Still, before I spend money fixing the DA 17-70, I will probably look at one of the faster options.
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Turns out common knowledge isn't so common, is it?

off topic: I like to say common sense isn't so common!

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Turns out common knowledge isn't so common, is it?
It..........was.........a..............joke..........
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All ye blasphemers, beware the PF inquisition!
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I have blasphemed The Inquisition is knocking upon my door. Ohhhhh the Agony......
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I have blasphemed The Inquisition is knocking upon my door. Ohhhhh the Agony......
You'll probably have to switch user names.

The trouble with duplicating the kit lens range is that only you will notice the difference. It might be brighter viewfinder, faster focus, slightly wider or longer, allow some more light in, have more subject isolation - all good stuff. The manufacturers know they have to outperform the kit lens and they do. We might notice. But to less sophisticated viewers, the images might not look like the money was worth it, and they will tune out when you mention HSM.
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