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02-04-2013, 08:36 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by miles Quote
Jp's fingfisher is way better than the one posted. I see LOTS of PF on the 560 fisher shot - hard to imagine Pentax would produce a lens like this. But the eagle looks excellent. It's also shot wide open and has lots of contrast. But has no PF... !? Pardon me for being a little suspicious of these pics... I'll wait for a few more from another source...

Edit: i browsed the japanese site a bit and the focal lengths indicated for the 560 are all over the place. starting at 350mm, the 3rd pic in the opening post. Some seem to have been taken with the 1.7x AFA. Especially with no exifs on the pictures, i don't believe a word i'm seeing. Time for bed.
They are obviously taken with a different lens. If you scroll through you see quite a few taken with something else.

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I'm not impressed with the pics as I expect more than that compared to my Sigma 150-500 at 1/15th of the price. The different look from pic to pic got me suspicious too.
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QuoteOriginally posted by derekkite Quote
They are obviously taken with a different lens. If you scroll through you see quite a few taken with something else.
Of course, my kingfished shots are made with a FA*600; the issue is, does the DA560 priced around 7000 $ offer better images than a FA*600 priced second hand between 4000 and 5000 $ or a sigma 500 f4.5 priced around 5000 $ new ?
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QuoteOriginally posted by goubejp Quote
Of course, my kingfished shots are made with a FA*600; the issue is, does the DA560 priced around 7000 $ offer better images than a FA*600 priced second hand between 4000 and 5000 $ or a sigma 500 f4.5 priced around 5000 $ new ?
JP, what we're saying is that the sample pics in the opening post are most probably fake, i.e. not taken with the Pentax HD 560 at all. The focal lengths in the picture descriptions of the 560mm include 350mm, and 550mm. Some seem to have been taken with the 1.7AFA. And some were taken a day before the first availability of the lens.

I wouldn't draw any conclusions based on these pics (which have no exif btw), let's wait for a reputable user to post some / or a review from Adam?

Individuals who had access to the 2 prototypes mentionned it is tack sharp wide open. The King fisher is far from that, as you demonstrated.
In fact, i think it was taken with a non-apochromatic lens. The very nervous bokeh makes me think of a mirror lens.

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QuoteOriginally posted by miles Quote
JP, what we're saying is that the sample pics in the opening post are most probably fake, i.e. not taken with the Pentax HD 560 at all. The focal lengths in the picture descriptions of the 560mm include 350mm, and 550mm. Some seem to have been taken with the 1.7AFA. And some were taken a day before the first availability of the lens.

I wouldn't draw any conclusions based on these pics (which have no exif btw), let's wait for a reputable user to post some / or a review from Adam?

Individuals who had access to the 2 prototypes mentionned it is tack sharp wide open. The King fisher is far from that, as you demonstrated.
In fact, i think it was taken with a non-apochromatic lens. The very nervous bokeh makes me think of a mirror lens.

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Sorry, I didn't understand your point; I have myself tried to read in the exif data but they are absent; apart of the 3rd link, the author mentionned using the 560; may be it is fake, your right, but why ? The first (kingfisher) and the eagle seems to have been shot with a different lens, you are right, the rendering is completely different. Let's see. For the seagull in flight, I don't know a mirror lens whic opens at f14, usually these are F8.

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I think those pics are not fault ~ believe it or not. Some of the pics are really by another lens + a converter 1.7x as posted by the user for comparison. That user also have a FA*600 and he also posted a pic for comparison.

These pics below should be by DA560mm under the user kentax-5
http://bbs.kakaku.com/bbs/K0000416085/SortID=15711969/ImageID=1445928/
http://bbs.kakaku.com/bbs/K0000416085/SortID=15711969/ImageID=1445935/
http://bbs.kakaku.com/bbs/K0000416085/SortID=15711969/ImageID=1445952/
http://review.kakaku.com/review/K0000416085/ReviewCD=569725/ImageID=107883/
http://review.kakaku.com/review/K0000416085/ReviewCD=569725/ImageID=107884/
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The conversation of the user kentax-5 with other board members (Through the conversation, the user kentax-5 revealed the pics by DA560mm were by handheld).
http://bbs.kakaku.com/bbs/K0000416085/SortID=15711969/#15711969

Translated into English
I was wearing Handheld K-5 Ⅱ s to 560mmF5.6ED AW HD PENTAX-DA was to hand yesterday. I was headed to a nearby pond lens test did not go to the place where raptors are flying. That was a respectable as well (things flying) motion raised by the performance of the camera. I do not know the rest should still try out various settings, I'm going to be a lens that can be used widely.

A member asking: Do you hand the more than 3 kg?
His answer: there were times when that was hand held (7 km) FA600mm ˇ F4 lens also reckless evening before,
A member saying: It is a splendid Sample images your hand ^ ^ Is it mandatory era muscle training also photographer.
His saying: When you purchase a FA600mm to hold the left hand lens, one hand on the left hand had been trained mandatory, how high in about 2 minutes at most duration stationary on average still take a raptor to fly, so nothing was satisfactory photo honestly very difficult, handheld with this lens is felt much easier. (^ ^)
A member saying: While I was going to look, including Sample images of the review,It is amazing. By the way, Sample images of the first picture looks sharp even though 1/100, I corrected that handheld Why are you even shake 800mm conversion threshold. What a arm of Kentax-5 ^ ^
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It is a collection of photos, including some taken with 560. No fakes. The 350 look like a 1.7 af tc on an older 200mm.

It is really hard to tell. The king Fisher was at 1/100, far too slow for a bird especially King Fisher with food in its beak. I also suspect that both are cropped substantially, especially the eagle dark feathers with noise and loss of detail.
It also seems to be his first outing, it would be a rare amateur who could do justice to a lens first time out especially a long one.
I'd wait to see a few more photos before judging the lens. Getting Good shot of a bird with a 560 mm lens is a real challenge for anyone.

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QuoteOriginally posted by dsport Quote
I think those pics are not fault ~ believe it or not. Some of the pics are really by another lens + a converter 1.7x as posted by the user for comparison. That user also have a FA*600 and he also posted a pic for comparison.

These pics below should be by DA560mm under the user kentax-5
http://bbs.kakaku.com/bbs/K0000416085/SortID=15711969/ImageID=1445928/
http://bbs.kakaku.com/bbs/K0000416085/SortID=15711969/ImageID=1445935/
http://bbs.kakaku.com/bbs/K0000416085/SortID=15711969/ImageID=1445952/
http://review.kakaku.com/review/K0000416085/ReviewCD=569725/ImageID=107883/
http://review.kakaku.com/review/K0000416085/ReviewCD=569725/ImageID=107884/
A link to download a .zip file containing 6 pictures (full-resolution jpegs) taken with DA 560mm f/5.6 and one with FA* 600mm f/4, all of them with K-5 IIs. Half of them are cropped (see size in pixels). Photographer is Kentax-5 from kakaku.com.

Click here to download (18.6 MB)

(you will be requested to type the word in bold between"" in the box just below it
e.g. "Recopiez "Leclerc" ci-dessous" --> you type Leclerc where it is written "Emplacement pour le message"
then clic on "Valider et télécharger le fichier" = "Confirm and download file")


The pictures in the .zip file with their EXIF data:

1/1,000 f/4 ISO500 (the one and only taken with FA* 600mm f/4)

1/500 f/5.6 ISO800

1/320 f/5.6 ISO1,600 +1EV

1/100 f/5.6 ISO800 +0.7EV

1/1,250 f/14 ISO800

1/320 f/5.6 ISO800

1/3,200 f/5.6 ISO800
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Clicking that link from free.fr, it asks me to download a file.
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bokeh's a bit nervous!
I think this is a cracking phrase, I've never heard said it before.

It sums up the bokeh on that image so well.

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QuoteOriginally posted by JinDesu Quote
Clicking that link from free.fr, it asks me to download a file.
Indeed, it's the 18.6MB zip file containing the 6 pictures shown above. In some cases it just looses its .zip extension, add it and you will be fine.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Indeed, it's the 18.6MB zip file containing the 6 pictures shown above. In some cases it just looses its .zip extension, add it and you will be fine.
Sorry, I meant it asked me to download an unknown .exe file. I'll try dling it and renaming the extension.
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QuoteOriginally posted by dsport Quote
After further reading in that site, I could confirm these pics were by Pentax DA560mm from a Japanese user.

http://review.kakaku.com/review/K0000416085/ReviewCD=569725/ImageID=107884/

Translation from his comments in Japanese into English via google
"I tried to take a few moments ago trial today. For me that is the main Handheld I did not know I was just passable and not try to shoot a variety of. I feel a gentle color glue seems Pentax has come out well too. I think enough depiction compared with FA600mm F4 ED is subjective. How much power there is in the rest of shooting flying bird of prey is also interesting."
May have lost something in the translation. :>)
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Updated:

New pics from a Taiwan user.
From the thread in Chinese language, he mentioned the bird pics were by DA*300, FA*400, DA560 and also FA*250-600. The pics by DA560 were taken by his wife (5 pics by K-5).
????DA 300mm FA400mm DA560mm FA250-600mm ??-PFC - Pentax Fans Club
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