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02-05-2013, 04:48 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jonathan Mac Quote
Nope, I dumped the kit lens for the WR kit lens. I would never take the kit lens as my only lens anywhere though, but I might do that with the Tammy.
You really replaced a kit lens with a kits lens? I have the DA L (plastic mount) el cheapo 18-55mm kit lens. Do you notice a difference in Image Quality between the two or were you just after WR?

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I'm similar to Mac since the WR kit lens is part of my lens kit. It's only there because it's a WR zoom with a useful range for hiking. And it's cheap. I would also like the Tamron 28-75 for event photography but I haven't made it a priority. And I'm in a spending freeze due to upcoming travel plans.

As for the OP - If you like 16-50 then you should keep it. If you like it but find that there are a lot of times that you don't bring your camera because of the size then you have some difficult choices. My favorite thing about Pentax is the DA ltd lineup even if they are a little slow. I like to do landscapes so max aperture doesn't matter.
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I have the DA 18-135 and DA* 60-250 on the cameras. I have the 15 Ltd. 21 Ltd, 35 2.4 FA 50 1.7 and Tamron 90 Macro in the bag.
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Zooms are versatile in terms of focal length. Primes generally have better image quality (esp wide open), are smaller and faster. Thus the choice of prime or zoom comes down to what, where and when you are shooting. I have noticed that DA primes are not that quick, I believe that was a marketing strategy as to not to undercut the FA primes sales. Having said that I can attest to the superior image quality of the 15mm, it takes super crisp photos with fantastic colours. Buy one you won't be disapointed.

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the roadmap of lenses:


limited vs stars - two ways



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QuoteOriginally posted by romeck Quote
the roadmap of lenses:


limited vs stars - two ways


LOL...That's exactly how I feel. Dizzy when it comes to comparing lenses.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Phii Mii Quote
If I buy a Pentax DA*16-50mm and DA*50-135mm (or even a DA*60-250mm) I'll cover the same field as the ltd DA21, DA35, DA40mm and DA70 and nearly the DA15mm but I'll also get a lot more tele with the DA* and much more versatile lenses. The only ltd lens that's faster is DA70mm with f2.4 and I will lose the macro with DA*.

The DA* will of course be heavier and they aren't primes but the DA* will cost less and will have WR and silent SDM (which I know can fail). The 50-135mm and 60-250mm both have excellent rating and the 16-50mm have rather good rating too.

DA15 + DA21 + DA35 + DA40 + DA70 = about 2287 USD (average prices)
DA*16-50 + DA*50-135mm = 1635 USD
DA*16-50 and DA*60-250 = 2063 USD

I do agree that it's more fun to use primes and that it would be heavy to carry a 60-250mm around all day but if I want to save some money it would be better to buy DA*.

Any thoughts of why buy Pentax ltd instead?
DA limiteds are meant to be compact, DA*'s are meant to be fast and durable - so you could say that those two lineups are completely different from each other within the DA series.

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Mike SF hit the nail on the head. It depends on the style of shooting you intend to do.

If you spend a lot of time shooting in crappy weather, get the zooms.
If you spend a lot of time shooting action in lowish light, get the zooms.
If you're after ethereal IQ and have the time to switch lenses all the time, get the limiteds.

I "need" both.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Driline Quote
You really replaced a kit lens with a kits lens? I have the DA L (plastic mount) el cheapo 18-55mm kit lens. Do you notice a difference in Image Quality between the two or were you just after WR?
I just wanted the WR, since my K200D is WR, so I got rid of my mark II kit lens (not the DAL version). The improved build quality (and nicer aesthetics) of the WR version was a bonus but optically they perform to exactly the same standard. The upgrade cost me around 40GBP and was definitely worth it.
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i was very happy with my 15mm and 40mm limited, never missed a shot i wanted, but i was doing photos for myself. When the day arrived i needed to shoot a wedding, time to trade 15mm and 40mm for 50-135mm. and use it along side with canon 7d + 17-50 f2.8. You canīt afford to move constantly or miss that very important moment. I miss the primes now. And you canīt walk around with the da* without a grip. So my backpack nowadays is much more loaded than it was before, and i can tell you and donīt have so much fun. I guess itīs a good thing i keep my spotmatic + SMC 55mm f1.8.
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Most answers confirms what I wanted and that's to keep the DA*16-50. It's true that it's a big lens but it has some advantages as for example the WR and that it's faster. And now as there's possible to change it to screwdrive if SDM fails I don't even have to worry about the SDM

I have tried all the ltd lenses and they are awesome and especially the 15mm ltd. But not possible to buy (if I doesn't win some money) so I'll keep shooting with the DA*. I believe that it's probably not possible to see any bigger difference if one compare the DA* and the ltd:s from aperture f/5.6 and smaller.
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... there are few things more frustrating than chasing around 3 year olds at a birthday party with a fixed focal length.
...and one of them is doing that using manual focus~!
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QuoteOriginally posted by sarabico Quote
you canīt walk around with the da* (50-135) without a grip.
Oh, come on now. The DA*50-135 is *tiny* compared to a full frame 80-200. It is, for many of us, perfectly manageable without the grip.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Sandy Hancock Quote
Oh, come on now. The DA*50-135 is *tiny* compared to a full frame 80-200. It is, for many of us, perfectly manageable without the grip.
Itīs true, but itīs not comfortable to use. Compared with any prime, the 50-135mm is kind truck.
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I'm probably one of very few people on these forums who started off with primes then moved to zooms. I got tired of switching lenses all the time, especially when I was in situations that required a variety of focal lengths. I also prefer DA* because of their weather-sealing, which helps in the dusty environments in which I often shoot. So I still have my primes, but they're rarely used unless I'm doing studio work where there isn't a whole lot of action.
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