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04-01-2013, 11:49 AM - 1 Like   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by Just1MoreDave Quote
It is a bold statement to make without support. A working DA 16-45/4 should outperform a DA 18-55. I am very happy with my copy, which I got used almost 4 years ago.

The DA 16-45 has some negatives:
  • Doesn't go past 45 no matter how much you want it to
  • The front seems a little loose (some users call it a wobble) at full extension (16mm)
  • Purple fringing, a bigger issue until software fixes became common
  • Obviously not that fast at f4

I would add that it's bigger than the DA 18-55 but all the potential kit replacements are bigger than the DA 18-55.

It has some strong positives:
  • 16mm!
  • The colors, contrast and microcontrast are really good
  • It comes really close to the DA 15/4 except for flare, sun stars and size
  • Distortion is low and easily correctable, which is useful for panoramas
  • The used price is excellent

The market is right about this lens, it isn't worth its original list price of $400. The new price has varied and will vary more as stocks decline. I think at around $250 used, it's a great value. At $400, I would look at the Tamron 17-50, not sure why you exclude that from the start.

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It seems that I misread 18-55L with general 18-55.
I owned both 18-55ALII and 1645. Cannot speak for the 1855L users, however, :
1. size and building quality: I think back then I was pissed by the building quality of 16-45. I hate the loose and plastic feeling of it, and you are right---the front part is especially annoying.
2. IQ. 16-45 reached a little bit wider than 1655. and to be honest, 1645 is good at wide open (1855 need 1 to 1.5F step down). Corner is better also.
3. sorry for confusing the 1855L with 1855ALII. Even some say they are similar, however I still insist that 1855ALII is 20% better than 1855L. (off the topic tho)
4. C/P ratio: MSRP for 1645 is $400ish, but i think it worth only 290~320, no more than that. One big con of it is the building quality and size.
from my very personal perspective (I owned 15/4, 21/3.2, 1855, 1645), I think 1645 should be a good for those who does not own any wide-normal zoom lens. For some 1855 users, I doubt whether they can feel a very OBVIOUS (well, another very subject word) changes. However we have some testimony there already.

PS: wow, it has been awhile since I used 16-45 and I start missing it

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QuoteOriginally posted by Bullfrog_1 Quote
I think it will probably be K30 and DA 18-135 (after getting more money) and after some time one DA 15, or DA 16-45 now, I am not sure yet.
DA15---is difficult to handle. sometimes just too wide...
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QuoteOriginally posted by hongzhibin1987 Quote
DA15---is difficult to handle. sometimes just too wide...
I don't think anything can be "too wide". Yes, it's definitely NOT a walkaround lens. Wide primes have their specific uses, and the DA15 outperforms anything in Pentax's line when the moment is right.
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QuoteOriginally posted by NitroDC Quote
I don't think anything can be "too wide". Yes, it's definitely NOT a walkaround lens. Wide primes have their specific uses, and the DA15 outperforms anything in Pentax's line when the moment is right.
I'm just saying that I cannot handle that
Although 15mm is a great lens. Probably one of the best prime.

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QuoteOriginally posted by hongzhibin1987 Quote
I'm just saying that I cannot handle that
Although 15mm is a great lens. Probably one of the best prime.
Right. I was implying that it's a very specific lens and when you need a wide angle there's pretty much nothing better to turn to (unless you need to go even wider than that like a sigma 8-16).
However it is definitely very wide and it's often a pain to think of a good composition with such a huge angle of view. I would get a better zoom/walkaround lens to replace the 18-55 before getting a 15mm or any prime for that matter. Unless you are a lens-switching/prime-loving kind of guy.
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QuoteOriginally posted by NitroDC Quote
Right. I was implying that it's a very specific lens and when you need a wide angle there's pretty much nothing better to turn to (unless you need to go even wider than that like a sigma 8-16).
However it is definitely very wide and it's often a pain to think of a good composition with such a huge angle of view. I would get a better zoom/walkaround lens to replace the 18-55 before getting a 15mm or any prime for that matter. Unless you are a lens-switching/prime-loving kind of guy.
In this case DA21 could be better. I think probably OP can consider this one.
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Just wanted to share you with update, I went to buy DA 18-135 for about 450€, but when I came in store they didnt have any but they had a test example of Canon 600D with 18-135, I tried it, (found it to be quiet and fast) went home to read some reviews, found it to be good combination for about 550€ and you know what happened after. But beloved K-r remains my favourite camera for my macro work especially with my Sigma 70-300 APO. I will upload some macro pictures after.
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So instead of getting a better lens, you bought an entry level Canon?

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Well considering K30 with 18-135 was 200€ more and they didnt have any, and I dont need dSLR that is better than mid-entry level, and my K-r is suffering dust problems from time to time and I damaged it, I decided that this is a good deal so yes it is kinda I bought entry level Canon. Whatever it is a lot of and, and.....
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Having two bodies is nice and I don't see the problem. As you have a K-r the WR isn't even a selling point for the DA18-135 for you.
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So instead of getting a better lens, you bought an entry level Canon?
This really got me thinking. I also need better lenses than my bunch of Taks and K's and M's and whatnot. So I've been looking at the Samsung NX300. Really attractive kit. What do you think?
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I've nothing against Canon but one can do much better than a 600D. The Kr is a decent camera. Dust problems exist with all DSLR's. Our M42 and K mount manual glass can work on an EOS mount with an adapter. If the OP bought a 60D, I could understand. Anyhow, good luck with the new camera.
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60D was 899€ (with 18-135) which was too expensive for me and in that case i would have rather buy a K5II for same amount of money.

@prime.partisan NX300 is very good mirorless camera, but you will be missing that "click" sound and ergonomy that dSLR gives you.
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