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04-20-2013, 02:27 AM   #1
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Anyone recomend a 135 for music venue?

I'm going to be shooting my first show soon and just wanted to know if anyone can recommend a good 135mm 2.8-3.5, budget is going to be around $25, well actually I have $100 but I want to pick up a 560 II as well.

MF M42 and K mount, will be going on a Canon EOS body. Thanks!

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QuoteOriginally posted by maverick75 Quote
Anyone recomend a 135 for music venue?
I could recommend mine (SMC Pentax-A* 135mm F1.8) and I do use it for that purpose, but not at $25.

Well if you can get one for that, game on.
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QuoteOriginally posted by maverick75 Quote
I'm going to be shooting my first show soon and just wanted to know if anyone can recommend a good 135mm 2.8-3.5, budget is going to be around $25, well actually I have $100 but I want to pick up a 560 II as well.

MF M42 and K mount, will be going on a Canon EOS body. Thanks!
In the US a Pentax "M" 135mm f3.5 is small, very common and good. Also cheap. Maybe up to $50, though someone gave me one a long time ago. Other than that, the Mamiya/Sekor M42 135mm f2.8 is pretty OK; low contrast but usable. Should be in your budget.
QuoteOriginally posted by maverick75 Quote
will be going on a Canon EOS body
I hope you are using a cropped sensor EOS body as most of the lenses you are seeking won't work right with a 35mm-sized sensor due to mirror box interference with aperture lever.

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At what distance will you be shooting?

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I have the Pentax M-135 / 3.5 & it's a pretty nice little lens, but I think f:3.5 or even 2.8 might be a bit slow for an indoor concert. I recently shot a very dimly lit concert & wound up using my f:1.4 / 50mm at ISO 1600 & cropping. My Pentax A f:3.5 35-105 was a tad too slow, even wide open.

Samyang makes a nice 1.4 / 85mm lens... You might consider that one.

Of course, that's assuming you're going to be right next to the stage.

Cheers,
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QuoteOriginally posted by GibbyTheMole Quote
very dimly lit concert
It's really amazing just how little light there actually is at some of these venues, even when our eyes say now that's a brightly light stage.

Some of the bigger venues or where TV or video crews are working as well, tend to have better lighting, that's a bonus provided they're not in the way all the time.
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For that job I would recommend not to try the Takumar (Bayonet) 1:2.5 135 mm. This lens is nice in flat light but flares and loses contrast around strong lights, indoors or out, so you might get some spoiled shots as i did recently indoors with it.

On the other hand I have a Sears MC 1:2.8 f=135mm. This lens is quite good and has an integral hood.
These lenses require a steady hand and sharp focussing at wide apertures on aps-c because there is not much DOF.

I just took some shots of lights with the Sears on the K-01 hand held, focussed in the finial in the center of the lights 3 metre (9 foot distant), the front and back lights are about 400 mm (16 inch) apart
at f/2.8 note the color fringing near the light and the lights front and rear are out of focus.
https://www.box.com/s/pzfsl5bdxfrfzgrpn9eg

At f/8 and iso 6400 the lens is easier to use and sharper and now all lights in the set are reasonably in focus
https://www.box.com/s/niup0pymfaq5d0eeju41
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There is also the M120/2.8 to consider; I don't think that 15mm makes much difference. Got mine for around (converted) US$30. Absolutely a little beauty.

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For $25, I'd get the Vivitar/Komine 135mm f2.8 in M42 mount.
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My old Pentax M 135/3.5 takes great photos and videos on my K-01 and can be had for around $25
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Size matters

Another advantage of the M135 3.5 is that it is quite small, and sometimes when a music venue doesn't allow "Pro" cameras, an M lens that size on a K-01 will be waved through.
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QuoteOriginally posted by maverick75 Quote
I'm going to be shooting my first show soon and just wanted to know if anyone can recommend a good 135mm 2.8-3.5, budget is going to be around $25, well actually I have $100 but I want to pick up a 560 II as well.

MF M42 and K mount, will be going on a Canon EOS body. Thanks!
Where are you located ? There is am soligor M42 preset in a pawn shop on church street Toronto Canada. Priced at$40. As I already have 4 135's I don't need it
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QuoteOriginally posted by kerrowdown Quote
It's really amazing just how little light there actually is at some of these venues, even when our eyes say now that's a brightly light stage.
Yeah, even at f1.4 & ISO 1600, I was still only able to shoot at 1/45th to 1/90th of a sec. Just barely fast enough to stop the action when they weren't moving much.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Miguel Quote
In the US a Pentax "M" 135mm f3.5 is small, very common and good. Also cheap. Maybe up to $50, though someone gave me one a long time ago. Other than that, the Mamiya/Sekor M42 135mm f2.8 is pretty OK; low contrast but usable. Should be in your budget.

I hope you are using a cropped sensor EOS body as most of the lenses you are seeking won't work right with a 35mm-sized sensor due to mirror box interference with aperture lever.

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I am on a crop but I ran into issues on my K lens with the lever you mentioned, the fix was simple though I just bent the lever. Worked great, the apperture moves freely without sticking.

QuoteOriginally posted by altopiet Quote
At what distance will you be shooting?
about 5-15ft from the performers, I had a 100mm 3.5 before that I loved. Just wished it was a bit longer and a bit faster.

QuoteOriginally posted by GibbyTheMole Quote
I have the Pentax M-135 / 3.5 & it's a pretty nice little lens, but I think f:3.5 or even 2.8 might be a bit slow for an indoor concert. I recently shot a very dimly lit concert & wound up using my f:1.4 / 50mm at ISO 1600 & cropping. My Pentax A f:3.5 35-105 was a tad too slow, even wide open.

Samyang makes a nice 1.4 / 85mm lens... You might consider that one.

Of course, that's assuming you're going to be right next to the stage.

Cheers,
Bob :-)
I agree 2.8 is too slow, that's why I'm adding the 560 II flash into the mix! I'm actually saving up for a 14mm samyang eventually, for 85 I'd rather go with the canon 1.8.

QuoteOriginally posted by kerrowdown Quote
It's really amazing just how little light there actually is at some of these venues, even when our eyes say now that's a brightly light stage.

Some of the bigger venues or where TV or video crews are working as well, tend to have better lighting, that's a bonus provided they're not in the way all the time.
It's pretty much like shooting in the dark, cant wait until cameras have the same dynamic range as the human eye!
There might be one or two recoding, but mostly just with their DSLR and those LEP panel things. Not really much help, that's where the flash comes in to save the day and best of all the venue has a short roof, so bouncing will be the key!

QuoteOriginally posted by wombat2go Quote
For that job I would recommend not to try the Takumar (Bayonet) 1:2.5 135 mm. This lens is nice in flat light but flares and loses contrast around strong lights, indoors or out, so you might get some spoiled shots as i did recently indoors with it.

On the other hand I have a Sears MC 1:2.8 f=135mm. This lens is quite good and has an integral hood.
These lenses require a steady hand and sharp focussing at wide apertures on aps-c because there is not much DOF.

I just took some shots of lights with the Sears on the K-01 hand held, focussed in the finial in the center of the lights 3 metre (9 foot distant), the front and back lights are about 400 mm (16 inch) apart
at f/2.8 note the color fringing near the light and the lights front and rear are out of focus.
https://www.box.com/s/pzfsl5bdxfrfzgrpn9eg

At f/8 and iso 6400 the lens is easier to use and sharper and now all lights in the set are reasonably in focus
https://www.box.com/s/niup0pymfaq5d0eeju41
Thank you! pretty sure I'm going to go with the sears one, I've been shooting manual lenses for a little over 8 months now. My success rate is 80-90%, with a 28mm,50mm, 100mm,100-200mm and a 400mm. Got rid of the last 3 so a telephoto is really needed. Thanks for sharing the pictures!

QuoteOriginally posted by sterretje Quote
There is also the M120/2.8 to consider; I don't think that 15mm makes much difference. Got mine for around (converted) US$30. Absolutely a little beauty.
Will look into it! basically need something 85-135ish

QuoteOriginally posted by Just1MoreDave Quote
For $25, I'd get the Vivitar/Komine 135mm f2.8 in M42 mount.
I was actually looking for that one, but no luck on ebay, there were only FD versions. The rest were out of my budget.

QuoteOriginally posted by Rob22315 Quote
My old Pentax M 135/3.5 takes great photos and videos on my K-01 and can be had for around $25
Thank you! i'll keep an eye out.

QuoteOriginally posted by harmonica2 Quote
Another advantage of the M135 3.5 is that it is quite small, and sometimes when a music venue doesn't allow "Pro" cameras, an M lens that size on a K-01 will be waved through.
Luckily they allow everything, its just a local band show. I wanna give it a try before shooting a real band.

QuoteOriginally posted by Lowell Goudge Quote
Where are you located ? There is am soligor M42 preset in a pawn shop on church street Toronto Canada. Priced at$40. As I already have 4 135's I don't need it
In California! all our pawn shops are overpriced and the thrift stores are only for hipsters who pay outrageous prices.

There was a soligor I found on ebay, but it had oil on the apperture blades.


Thanks everyone!
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So I ended up getting a K mount Korean Sears 135mm 2.8 multicoated, then the seller ended up breaking it.

Which was a good thing because I found a M42 Japanese Sears 135mm 2.8 that's even better!

It was also $10 cheaper than the other one, only $13 shipped.

Here's a copy and paste from my regular forum:


QuoteOriginally posted by maverick75 Quote
I managed to find a M42 Sears 135mm 2.8 after losing out on the k mount one.



boy am I happy! Got it for $13 at the end, it does have a bit of fungus I need to clean up and the aperture pin is broken(no auto feature).

Aside from a little bit of CA at 2.8 it's pretty good! By F4 the CA is almost completely gone, pretty sharp at 2.8 but again by F4 it's tack.

I was a bit worried about getting a single coated one, I'm guessing this one is made by Tomioka.
From my research the Japanese ones were made by them while the Korean ones were made by Samyang.

SOOC jpeg, 2.8,AWB, no post.

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