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04-29-2013, 12:39 PM   #1
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Which budget 200?

Im looking at a SMC P-F 70-210 4.5/5.6 at a danish web-shop, made a bet for it at ca. 90US (incl. ship), there is one other bidding and it is now at 110US. And now Im getting second thoughts on other options (for instance itīs supposed to be quite soft at 200?). So 1. I normaly use SMC K 55, 105, M 120, K 135 — all primes. But I donīt have a K-mount 200 (gets very good appraisal here 8-10) and I could wait and find one, not impossible at 100something US? (a friend mine has one I think — he had it up for sale a while back?). However, 2. I have a Super-Takumar 67 4/200 and could get a 67 to K adapter for 30-40US instead and use that. Itīs heavy at 900gr., non-SMC, but very sharp with some special S-T IQ and it has 8 blades, build in shade etc. And I could use the adapter for my other 67 lenses

Hmm

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An M200/4 would be cheap, relatively small and light (for a 200),
and could give you the green button metering/shutter setting
that you probably would not get with a 67 to K adapter.
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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
An M200/4 would be cheap, relatively small and light (for a 200),
and could give you the green button metering/shutter setting
that you probably would not get with a 67 to K adapter.
Hi lytrytyr, thankīs for the thoughts.
The M200 is small and light and perhaps sharp enough (would it be sharper than a 66% crop from my 2.5/135 K?).
For convenience the 70-210 would probably be the choice, except when manual focusing, where it seems less good with itīs small, plastic, loose ring. But with autofocus, I guess, it would beat the others on subjects like sports/kids playing/quick animals etc.
With the Super-Takumar 67 4/200 I can switch between the manual and auto for precise, bright view and focus on ‘Auto‘ and then meter/shoot on ‘Manual‘ while setting my APS-Cs (DS2 and K7) in M, Av etc. just like on M42 Takumars.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jt_cph_dk Quote
The M200 is small and light and perhaps sharp enough (would it be sharper than a 66% crop from my 2.5/135 K?).
I don't have that lens, so it's hard to compare directly,
but the M200 seems sharper than a 50% crop from my M100/2.8,
at least with a 12 - 16 MP camera.

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Have you tried Köp och sälj på auktion & till fast pris på Tradera. Nya auktioner idag! a lot of Swedish people are most likely willing to ship to Denmark.
Sometimes you will find good Pentax stuff there.
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i have lots of 200's, basically takumar preset 2--/3.5, SMC Tak 200/4, and a tele coligon 200/4.5 preset, as well as a vivitar series 1 70-210/3.5 (version 1)

the series 1 lens is about the best overall, in terms of CA and sharpness, but i do like toe takumar preset as well, none of the lenses cost more than $100 except the vivitar, which i bought brand new in 1981 for $350 (in todays dollars that is about $2000)
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I paid around $50 for my Super Tak 200/4. I consider it worth much more but the SMC's bring a better price. I don't use it often but it's an excellent lens.
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The SMC F70-210 is a fairly heavy lens but really compact compared to alternative primes. I always thought it was a good travel compromise. I have a Vivitar/Komine 200mm f3.5 M42 lens, but it's on the upper edge of travel size. I usually talk myself out of needing a 200mm prime for travel. Close to home, the Vivitar has purple fringing wide open but is sharper than an M200/4 and competitive with the SMC F70-210. I briefly had the Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 200/4 but it was too big for me.

In use the SMC F70-210 is often described as having loud AF. One of mine is really loud. The front element is somewhat unprotected. A hood would be nice. The metal Takumar 135/2.5 hood seems to be about the right size, with a 49-58mm stepup ring. The focus ring is really small, way at the end and rotates when focusing. The zoom is somewhat stiff but unlikely to creep. The lens has 9 blades like a Limited.

I recently bought a DA 50-200 WR and it seems very close to the SMC F70-210. I think I need to keep looking at these two because so many people dislike the DA 50-200, usually the L version. Warmer weather might make me more careful.

It is one of those lenses that fits well into my usage profile and is cheap.

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Hi all, thankīs for all your input and descriptions.

I had to let the 70-210 go, even if the final price 110US was low. Maybe I could have had it for an additional 10-25US..but I find, that I have to clear my mind on what Im going for.

For Landscapes I have a II Tokina AT-X 50-250 for my Nikon FE2. It reaches well into a landscape, when I want to get close to a subject. But it doesnīt work with Pentax, which is my digital system (DS2 and K7). Two years ago, I got myself a Tele-Takumar 6.3/300 (for 70US) to try out a long prime tele on my Pentax cameras, but Im finding it difficult to use. It certainly doesnīt fill the use of a fast AF zoom for action shots. I have the AF 18-55 DA AL II and the 40 Ltd. An AF 70-210 would cover my needs, when snapshot photography is on. When Im just documenting my family life and being a part of it at the same time. Those moments, when I donīt want to think about green button metering or manual flash settings, but just shoot away fully automatic. Especially at events, when my kids are at sports or school shows it could be nice. Swapping primes is out. Maybe bringing two cameras with a wide or normal and a short tele is in.

And then I also have all those beautiful 67 lenses (4/55, 4.5/75, 2.4/105, 4/135 macro and 4/200+2X TC) and it would make good sense to utilize them on my SLRs Spotmatic, ME Super, LX and DSLRs with an adapter K for 67. They are such great lenses, but get to stand on the shelf a lot since I donīt go out shooting 6X7 or 67II enough. The fact is, that it is difficult to find normal jobs for that system now. Editors wanīt digital convinience, shoot and deliver within hours and without the extra cost of developing and scanning (I scan myself though and could take up developing). Im keeping the 67 system for my own art work and special portraits, where I find the image quality is paramount and the money isnīt.

I guess Iīll have to get both an AF 70-210 (or something like it) sometime and an Adapter for my 67 lenses. Im getting the adapter first.

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I have the S-M-C takumar 200 f4. It is a nice and sharp lens but I don't use it much due to it's focal length. I got it for excellent condition from Keh for about 75 bucks.
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sample with S-T 6X7 4/200+adapter+K7

I bought myself an adapter and can now use my ‘67 lenses on my 35s and APS-Cs. Here is a sample at f:8
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https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/224135-sigma-7...-60-250-a.html

I would recommend this cheap Sigma zoom that has AF. Its great
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QuoteOriginally posted by dankoBanana Quote
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I would recommend this cheap Sigma zoom that has AF. Its great
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QuoteOriginally posted by jt_cph_dk Quote
I bought myself an adapter and can now use my ‘67 lenses on my . . . APS-Cs.
That setup almost looks like using APS-C lenses on a Q!

Just a 3.2 factor instead of 3.7.
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I use a newer 6X7 200/4 on my K-5. Here's one of Half Dome near sunset. This is a f8 and .5" [EXIF is incorrect]


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