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06-23-2013, 11:22 AM   #1
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which MF 200mm f3.5 on a K10D?

ever since I got my K10 the joy of using old glass with it has gone from strength to strength

there still isnt a decent 200mm in my kit (the best I have is probably my Tamron 19AH which doesnt perform at 210mm) so I have been researching for a while - but just cant seem to find a definitive answer. Mostly it would be used at the wider apertures so I am after 'crisp' from f3.5 not f5.6

Manual Focus and/or M42 mount is fine, but I need to be able to find one in UK at a decent price

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I only have experience with a Soligor 200mm F3.5 in M42 mount, also on a K10D. I think it is a re-branded Tokina RMC, there is definitely an almost identically looking Tokina with the same specs. The build quality is quite decent, and I got mine for less than 10 Euros. If you search a bit, then you will probably find a K-Mount version for not much more. However, sharpness is not great at 3.5, it becomes decent at F8. You probably need some post-processing (removal of CA and some sharpening) to make pictures taken at F3.5 look 'crisp'.

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Tamron 04B? Tamron Adaptall 200mm 1:3.5 BBAR MC | eBay

M-200/4? Beautiful SMC Pentax-M 1:4 200mm 7332102, ASAHI opt.Japan Lens F1308 | eBay

Or how about a zoom - Tamron 52A (not as good as 19AH apparently though)? Tamron SP 70-210mm f/3.5-4 Tele Macro BBAR MC Adaptall 2 mount GOOD CONDITION | eBay

Pentax-A 70-210 is supposed to be good? SMC Pentax - A 70~210 mm., Zoom Lens. | eBay

Food for thought anyway.
06-23-2013, 01:27 PM   #4
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How about the

SMC Pentax A* 200mm F2.8 ED Reviews - A Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

or

SMC Pentax 200mm F2.5 Reviews - K Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

Both of these are getting sharp by F3.5

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If you can find one, at a good price,
the Voigtlaender SL 180/4 is outstanding,
compact, and already excellent at f/4.
(I know, it's not 200,
but it's better cropped than most full 200s.)


Otherwise, the M200/4 that @Rob1234 mentioned
is quite good from f/4 (although better stopped down),
and available quite cheaply.
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QuoteOriginally posted by lytrytyr Quote
If you can find one, at a good price,
the Voigtlaender SL 180/4 is outstanding,
compact, and already excellent at f/4.
And so it should be for £1000!! [UK]Voigtlander M42 mount Apo Lanthar 180mm f/4 SL lens pentax nex Voigtländer | eBay
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Another thumbs up for the K 200/2.5.

Can be a bit expensive but you won't find a better MF lens than this old timer.

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I had a Tokina 70-210 K Mount with my film bodies that I loved, great lens. Unfortunately it developed a serious case of fungus and has since made a trip to that junkyard in the sky...

Also had a Sears 80-200 that did a nice job, but the only 200 mm prime I've used is my Vivitar 200mm f3.5 M42 that's on the K30 right now. I love it, great lens. If you can find one...

here's an example to show off what it can do...



If you can find one of these, it has the adaptall type mount, I'm hoping I can find (and afford) a K mount adapter for it someday. It came with the M42, and works great but it's not as sharp as you may want wide open. I don't have a lens that is...but f8 and up, it's great...that shot was at f8 by the way, that's my go to setting. I don't know if it ever was offered with a factory K mount. I've spotted several on some of the online auctions, usually not very expensive.

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QuoteOriginally posted by rob1234 Quote
If you can't spare a kidney for the Voigtlaender,
a few units of plasma will get you the M200/4.
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QuoteOriginally posted by LittleSkink Quote
ever since I got my K10 the joy of using old glass with it has gone from strength to strength

there still isnt a decent 200mm in my kit (the best I have is probably my Tamron 19AH which doesnt perform at 210mm) so I have been researching for a while - but just cant seem to find a definitive answer. Mostly it would be used at the wider apertures so I am after 'crisp' from f3.5 not f5.6

Manual Focus and/or M42 mount is fine, but I need to be able to find one in UK at a decent price
I have a couple of older 200 and 300 mm zoom lens acquired with film camera purchases. I am not at home right now, so cannot provide more details, but will do so by private message if you are interested. One is Samyang 28-200 and the other is Samyang 80-300. I have not been able to locate any information on the internet about these two lenses. However, they both fit my K-10 and K-20 cameras with no problems. The produce nice sharp images, and both have the infamous Ricoh pin. The pin, however, is rounded, and has never given me any problem with sticking on the camera.

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QuoteOriginally posted by 8540tomg Quote
Another thumbs up for the K 200/2.5.

Can be a bit expensive but you won't find a better MF lens than this old timer.

Tom G
+1 The K200/2.5 is a gem!

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The best 200mm f3.5 for image quality wide open I have used is the Komine-made Vivitar. It is outstandingly sharp and almost fringe-free. Images only lack a little in saturation. However, it is exceedingly heavy, and doesn't work well with any of the Teleconverters I have tried (and I have tried lots ...).

The Tamron Adaptall-2 200mm f3.5 Model 04B is almost as sharp, and is much lighter, but in demanding conditions exhibits obvious fringing wide open. However, if you're interested in f3.5 for low light situations, this shouldn't be a problem, and I would expect that this lens will be much easier to source, and cheaper than the Komine-made Vivitar. Copies of the 04B crop up on e-Bay UK pretty much every week.

The Chinon 200mm f3.5 handles well, but the image quality is a bit behind (but only looks poor in comparison with the above two). It seems to be 210mm rather than 200mm, which may be of interest.

The Tokina-made VivitarTX 200mm f3.5 feels great in the hand, but the images are obviously inferior.

The Korean-made (so Samyang?) Mirage 200mm f3.5 is horrible. I use it on a night-vision scope ...

None of the Tamron Adaptall, Adaptall-2 and Adaptall SP zooms I have that cover this range reach f3.5 (though the 52A claims to at shorter focal lengths, it does not). The sharpest/fastest that I have that goes to 200mm is the 46A, which is f4. Don't be put off by Adaptall.org's sneering at its 'cheap-looking hard plastic grip'. After 25 to 30 years, this has lasted much better than the rubber on my 02A, 03A, 04B, 20A, 23A, 103A and 104A. The 46A with a Pentax K mount can be bought for less than £20 on a camera shop Website or on e-Bay. I wouldn't bother with the PK/A adapter rather than the PK; I have three of the PK/A mounts and none of the three now work as they should. You are unlikely to be able to buy a PK/A for less than £20, and they have obviously not lasted as well as the glass, whilst ordinary PK mounts usually go for less than £10 on eBay UK.

The Kiron-made Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm f3.5 also overstates its maximum aperture. It is in reality f3.8, it is obviously better at the short end, and it needs to be stopped down to f5.6 to give acceptable images, in my opinion. However, the great weight of this lens seems to mitigate camera shake, so without a tripod I can shoot with slower shutter speeds than I can with any of the other lenses listed here.

The Sigma XQ Zoom 80-200mm f3.5 really does seem to be f3.5, the 200mm is actually 210mm, and in terms of size it falls between the Tamron Adaptall/Adaptall 2/Adaptall SP Zooms and the Kiron-made Vivitar Series 1. I really wanted to like this lens. But I don't. I find it hard to focus (lack of contrast?), the images to my eye look flat and lifeless, and unlike with the Series 1, the images don't look better when I stop the lens down.

HTH

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QuoteOriginally posted by dme Quote
The best 200mm f3.5 for image quality wide open I have used is the Komine-made Vivitar.
I like this one, better than the M200/4 except for size. I somehow have 2 and would sell one cheap but shipping to the UK makes no sense. There's a K mount version of this.

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The Tokina-made VivitarTX 200mm f3.5 feels great in the hand, but the images are obviously inferior.
I think this is the same lens that coon and PaleoPete refer to. Tokina made the T4 and TX lenses, Soligor and Vivitar sold T4 and M42 versions.
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QuoteOriginally posted by dme Quote
The best 200mm f3.5 for image quality wide open I have used is the Komine-made Vivitar. It is outstandingly sharp and almost fringe-free...
QuoteOriginally posted by Just1MoreDave Quote
I like this one, better than the M200/4 except for size. I somehow have 2 and would sell one cheap but shipping to the UK makes no sense. There's a K mount version of this...
Like Dave, I have both the Komine-made Vivitar 200/3.5 and the Pentax-M 200/4. The Viv is bigger, heavier and slightly better optically and probably less money. Either lens is good value.


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QuoteOriginally posted by dme Quote
The best 200mm f3.5 for image quality wide open I have used is the Komine-made Vivitar.
While I can't compare this one to other 200 mm primes (as this is my first), I can say that I just got this lens (26$ on eBay) a couple of weeks ago and really like it so far. Nice colors, solid feel, etc. I also have the Pentax A 70-210 and have gotten some good results from that as well...solid, but not too heavy, useful range, fairly sharp.
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