Originally posted by jimr-pdx I really like the 16-45 and am on my 4th copy. I've tried several 18-55s as well as two 18-135 and Sigma's 17-70 and 18-50 (both f/2.8-4.5). While I find the 16-45 to be my favorite of the bunch, the 18-55WR is almost as good* and the WR makes it irresistible to me.
Interesting that you say the 18-55WR is almost as good. I have one, and to be honest I've never tried it out. I agree, WR on the 16-45 would be nice - I have been nervous many times when using it in rainy conditions.
Originally posted by bdery If you like your 16-45, why consider changing it? Hypothetical reasons : not fast enough, focal range too short, no WR. Apart from that I don't see why it should be replaced. I don't own it but by all accounts it's a fine lens. On that range the 16-50, Tamron 17-50, Sigma 17-70 are all great choice with comparable IQ to the 16-45. The 18-135 has better range and WR but IQ is not as good. A few prices to supplement your 16-45 could be a good idea. The 40 is a great idea but only if you like that focal, length. My personal primes kit is made of the 21, 40 and 100 macro WR. Those three make a killer combo and cover most situations well. I'd like to have the 70 but would rarely use it honestly.
I'm considering changing it only because there may be a lens with better IQ in the same sort of focal length range. The idea of the 40mm pancake was simply as an easy to carry prime lens for situations where I wanted some extra IQ and the focal length suited. Having looked at some reviews, it seems that the DA 17-70 gets the most points for IQ in this sort of range. Sadly, the DA 17-70 is not a WR lens, but I think I can live with that, since the 16-45 is not WR anyway. The thing is - I could get the DA 17-70 and the DA 40 limited for the same price as the DA*17-50.
Originally posted by Sandy Hancock The DA*16-50 is a brilliant lens. Yes, I have have had a couple of copies experience SDM failures, but now my remaining one is converted to screw drive I need never worry again. It is my most used event lens and is a total joy. Some recent output:
I have to say that your examples are really impressive!
Originally posted by TER-OR I use my 18-135 more often now, but I haven't sold my 16-45. It's too useful indoors and anywhere I don't need a lot of reach. It's always been reliable and accurate. Don't let the low cost dissuade you, it's a nice lens. Granted, I haven't played with any of the 17-70 lenses.
I like the 16-45. I've got lots of great photos out of it. My main complaint is that in the last year or so, it seems to have issues with focussing at infinity which it didn't have when new. I was surprised when I read a review that said there wasn't much improvement between the kit lens and the 16-45, but I suspect that the kit lens they were talking about was the Pentax one, not the Sigma sold in Australia as a kit lens, which is very ordinary indeed. When I first changed from the Sigma to the DA 16-45 it was like buying a whole new camera! The diference in IQ blew me away.
Originally posted by Canada_Rockies I have an early DA* 16-50. I bought it in 2007. It has not yet failed. It is, for myself, the lens for walkabout. The constant f/2.8 aperture - it doesn't get slower at longer lengths where you need the fast aperture even more - the Image Quality is plenty good, and can approach superb after using DxO software to correct the flaws without any user input. The SDM problems were statistically worse with the early SDM lenses (My 50-135 was one and I am now using the plebian 55-300), but not all of them were bad by a long shot. My personal take is that Pentax lenses have a "look" to them that is unique, and I really like all my lenses to have controls that turn in the same direction for the same effect. I have tried Sigma lenses but most of their lenses turn in Canon directions rather than Pentax/Nikon directions. Many years ago a professional photographer stated that the only reason to buy a lens that was not made by the camera manufacturer was because the camera manufacturer did not make the lens you absolutely had to have. One old phart's opinion. See Dave (Dadipentax) signature for disclaimer.
Thanks for your input! You certainly have some nice images from the DA*16-50. Can I ask which piece of DxO software you're referring to? They have several.
Originally posted by jatrax DA*16-50 is a very good lens. And most likely would be rated much higher if it were not for the "it has SDM so I'm giving it a 2 rating" reviews. If you go through the reviews and discount the SDM complaints it moves up quite a bit. Not trying to downplay the SDM issues, many people have suffered through multiple failures. I would not buy a used one but if mine was stolen today I would buy a new one tomorrow. It is by far my most used lens, and I have way too many lenses. That said, it is big and heavy and while I use it in the studio and when flexibility is important if I'm carrying the camera all day I tend to leave the DA*16-50 off if I can.
I have a Promaster lens which has the equivalent of SDM and it seems much faster to focus than any of my Pentax lenses. However, it doesn't have the colour or contrast quality of even the DA 55-300. The weight of the DA*16-50 may be a consideration because I already want to carry the DA*300 which is much heavier than the DA 55-300.
Originally posted by northcoastgreg Yes, there are better lenses, but better in what way? What do you need that the 16-45 isn't giving you? WR? Silent focusing? Greater zoom range? More resolution? Better microcontrast? Better color rendition? Faster aperture. It was most noticeable in prints, which just didn't have the same visual impact. So I purchased the FA 20-35 as an upgrade. There are many other lens that, like the FA 20-35, are better, at least in some ways, than the 16-45. For WR, there's not only the 16-50, but the new DA 20-40 and the DA 18-135. Both Sigma and Tamron, along with Pentax, offer faster, f2.8 standard zooms. Pentax offers four standard zooms with focus moters: the DA 18-135, the DA 17-70, the DA 20-40, and the DA*16-50. While none of these alternatives are likely to offer significant more resolution (the DA 16-45 is pretty good in that respect), some of them (at least the Pentax star and limited options) will likely give you images that have bit more contrast and "pop."
Thanks! The 20-35 and 20-40 have pretty narrow zoom ranges, which is a nuisance when I'm trying to minimise the number of lenses I carry when travelling. It's mostly IQ I'm looking for, but as a result of this discussion I'm thinking that the DA 17-70 might be a good compromise - a wider zoom range, at least on the long end, and apparently better IQ, with the faster, quieter SDM AF. But... looking at the user reviews here on PF, it seems to have AF issues, and perhaps the Sigma 17-70 is better... *sigh*