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12-21-2013, 05:31 PM   #16
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Not to complicate it any further, but have you looked into any Russian lenses? Jupiter (9, I think) or Helios?

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Here are some pics of my A* 85/1.4, which my Dad bought for me new in the mid '80s. It is truly pristine (and not for sale) and with my film cameras was an incredible performer. I haven't used it much with DSLRs - in part because it's big (67 mm filter) and lacks, of course, AF - manual focus is elegant but the dim viewfinders of DSLRs (look in the VF of and LX if you ever get the opportunity) require more care in focusing. I thought folks might like to see one that is in the same condition now as it was when it came out of the box in - I believe '85 or '86.

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Another vote for the Samyang/Bower/Rokinon 85mm f/1.4.

A superb lens which is sharp at f/1.4 already and has excellent bokeh.

I used the Pentax 85/2 for a while and truly loved it. My Rokinon 85/1.4 is better optically and doesn't require stop down metering. I believe the only advantage the 85/2 has over the Samyang/Bower/Rokinon (also sold as Polar, Vivitar, ...) is size.

If size and MF aren't concerns for you, I think the Samyang 85/1.4 is a no brainer. Have a look at this comparison against Pentax 85mm lenses.

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Awesome 85 Jer.

It would be nice to see how it performs on digital. Show us a few car shots.

For an old film guy like yourself it will be like riding in bike. You never really forget how to do it.

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My Rokinon 85/1.4 is probably the sharpest lens I own.

Shot at f1.4, 100 ISO


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f1.4, 800 ISO


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QuoteOriginally posted by filoxophy Quote
Yes, price considerations disqualified all but the Samyang and the M85/2 for me, and size concerns led me away from the Samyang.

Funny to me that you are looking for a replacement for your 77/1.8--I consider my M85/2 to be a poor man's 77! Want to trade?

My only true optical quibble regarding the M85/2 is the purple fringing. Other than that, going from A/DA glass to pre-A glass can just trip me up operationally. I have no problem stopping down with the green button with my style of photography, but going back and forth between M lenses and auto-aperture lenses in one outing can disrupt my flow. YMMV.
Oh, it's not to replace the 77, it's to live along side her. The 43 and 31 rarely get use because of the shorter focal lengths. I really enjoy my 77mm+ ranges, finding myself either using my 77 or my 50-135 most of the time. The most peculiar thing is that on my D800 I much prefer my 50mm f1.4 Zeiss or f1.8 G as well as my 24mm f2.8 D lenses the most... the complete opposite of my love for the Pentax.

QuoteOriginally posted by innivus Quote
Not to complicate it any further, but have you looked into any Russian lenses? Jupiter (9, I think) or Helios?
No, I've never looked into Russian lenses... but I would like too.

Maybe I should also look into C.Z. lenses....

QuoteOriginally posted by Sailor Quote
Here are some pics of my A* 85/1.4, which my Dad bought for me new in the mid '80s. It is truly pristine (and not for sale) and with my film cameras was an incredible performer. I haven't used it much with DSLRs - in part because it's big (67 mm filter) and lacks, of course, AF - manual focus is elegant but the dim viewfinders of DSLRs (look in the VF of and LX if you ever get the opportunity) require more care in focusing. I thought folks might like to see one that is in the same condition now as it was when it came out of the box in - I believe '85 or '86.

Jer
That is a beauty of a lens, as far as gear porn goes, that is pretty high up there with the LX. P.S. I own an LX and it's the main reason I want an 85...to mount on it! The sad thing is going from my nieces K100D, to my K3, to my D800, to my LX, then to my 645....then going back the K3 and wondering why things are so hard to frame and use. silly tiny viewfinders....


QuoteOriginally posted by robtcorl Quote
My Rokinon 85/1.4 is probably the sharpest lens I own.

Shot at f1.4, 100 ISO


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f1.4, 800 ISO


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wow thats sharp, great images too. I may have to get this one. It seems to be a better performer than my Nikon 85mm 1.8G


for the sake of gear porn:

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QuoteOriginally posted by Wired Quote
No, I've never looked into Russian lenses... but I would like too.

Maybe I should also look into C.Z. lenses....
Check out the Jupiter 9 and the Helios 8. There are multiple versions of both (and most are Russian copies of old Zeiss lenses...). The one thing they're known for is their bokeh - it can be a bit unpredictable, and on a lens-by-lens basis, due mostly to their insane number of rounded aperture blades (15 in the Jupiter!) and the fact that QC wasn't the best in communist Russia, so a few elements might be a bit flawed... but in a good way.

Also, the Jupiters tend to be small, ala the M85.

Just throwing out some love for the old odd balls.
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I have a few of the 85mm you've mentioned.

Here is a shot I did today to try and address your query.





As can be seen, the FA*85 is much bigger.
So will the A*85 (which I have access to but don't own) and the Sigma 85 (which I've seen a few times); these 3 are about the same size. (as is the Samyang, come to think of it)
The FA*85 and A*85 are well built to build standards of days past, so they are pretty hefty too.
The hood for the FA* is what makes it even bigger and hard to carry around.
I have replaced my hood with a 3rd party metal one that also takes a lens cap and both size/portability comes down compared to the original hood.
What can I say, AF, f1.4 and all that...


M85 is a wonderfully small lens.
Prone to flare and PF even with a deep hood.
But its contrasty and has a nice drawing style for subjects in the right situations (usually angled light and often against a green bkgnd)
Its really small, about the size of a 50/1.4

The K85 is new to me.
Can't comment much on it until I give it the run over.
But its rather small imo.

The Tak 85/1.9 is nice.
Less 'SMC' look (ie. less rich colour and contrast), less bold drawing style of subject
A bit hefty, but not overly big (still very portable to me)

J9, mine's a lemon.
But I've seen and tried good ones.
Overall though, I don't recommend it as a 'highly reliable' 'do it all' 85mm, esp with the higher risk of lemons.
Good ones are worth it for that 'specialness' though

As you can see, the 77ltd, is unique amongst them.
Its the smallest and sharpest wide open.
Also sharpens up insanely within 1 stop
I'd say its 'typical SMC style' (ie. contrasty; bold drawing style)
Also adds a 'pop' very often because it has that extra sharpness (+ my above termed SMC character)


If I were to choose only one.
FA77ltd.
But as you can see, I've got some problems making a real decision.

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QuoteOriginally posted by 8540tomg Quote
Awesome 85 Jer.

It would be nice to see how it performs on digital. Show us a few car shots.

For an old film guy like yourself it will be like riding in bike. You never really forget how to do it.

Tom G
Thanks, Tom. You're right, I gotta make myself slap this on my K-3 and see what she'll do.

Jer

QuoteOriginally posted by Wired Quote

That is a beauty of a lens, as far as gear porn goes, that is pretty high up there with the LX. P.S. I own an LX and it's the main reason I want an 85...to mount on it! The sad thing is going from my nieces K100D, to my K3, to my D800, to my LX, then to my 645....then going back the K3 and wondering why things are so hard to frame and use. silly tiny viewfinders....
Thank you! An LX is just the place for the 85. I got my first LX body when they were first introduced (late 1980, I think) and got a second one a few years later (in the days when I carried two bodies - one for color, one for B&W). I've still got both of 'em.

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The M 85 is plenty sharp once you stop down to F2.8-4. Fringing is pretty severe at F2 in bright light. Not too bad at F2.8 - easily cleaned uo, and pretty well gone by F4. Amazingly compact for its reach and brightness - only marginally bigger than a M 50mm.
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I love my M85. It's probably the only lens I own for which I will speak of its "rendering." There is just something gorgeous about photos that come from it. If you look at samples in which there plants out of focus, I think you will see what I mean. It's got a dreamy quality that I don't see in any of my other lenses.
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Another vote for the Samyang...the price to performance ratio is great. I wish I used it more, but it's kind of an in between focal length to me. Too short for a lot of outdoor stuff, too long for most indoor situations.
But if you want or need that focal length I highly recommend the Samyang
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I have the Zeiss 85/1.4, and yes, it can exhibit PF under the right circumsyances, but I have learnt to avoid those instances. The colors are fantastic, as is the redering & bokeh. I have considered the Sigma version, and then found myself getting the 70mm/2.8 (the Mrs does not really like MF). All my regularly used lenses are MF.

The ZK 85mm was a chance/lucky buy, I like to think. After getting a ZK 35mm, I wasn't looking for one actively. But when I found the ZK 85, I could not pass it up.... So I am biased, as I have never really handled the various Pentax or Korean 85mm lenses. I am certain, though, they should mostly be excellent. The limitations are not usually equipment related, but more lack of vision and skill (purely my opinion).
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Here are some samples from the lenses that I have readily on my flickr.

FA*85


M85


J9


S.Tak 85/1.9 (but on FF)


IMHO, all the choices are valid/good choices.
There seldom is a bad 85mm (just like 50mms)
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QuoteOriginally posted by interested_observer Quote
Contax Zeiss 85mm f2.8 Sonnar - small, light, stunningly sharp across the lens, full frame, better than the M 85/f2, and with the Leitax.com mount conversion, equals the K.
I have this lens, made the Leitax conversion myself, very easy. I use it on my K5 in M, Av with or without Auto iso. I don't know how it will work on the LX. It's small and reasonable light and so sharp you can pick your teeth with this lens.

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