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01-05-2014, 12:44 PM   #1
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fixed wide angle lens

Hi all,
..newbie here and just getting back into photography again after many years of using point & shoot / cell phone cameras.
I recently purchased a very inexpensive used K200D (in excellent condition) with the early DA18-55 lens ....not the II version
I'm looking for an inexpensive used fixed wide angle lens with moderately decent IQ.

I have a K-3 with the 18-135 but the K200D is going to be my everyday, throw in the truck "beater" camera and I'm looking to upgrade the current 18-55 that came with it.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

01-05-2014, 12:58 PM   #2
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QuoteOriginally posted by peterjcb Quote
Hi all,
..newbie here and just getting back into photography again after many years of using point & shoot / cell phone cameras.
I recently purchased a very inexpensive used K200D (in excellent condition) with the early DA18-55 lens ....not the II version
I'm looking for an inexpensive used fixed wide angle lens with moderately decent IQ.

I have a K-3 with the 18-135 but the K200D is going to be my everyday, throw in the truck "beater" camera and I'm looking to upgrade the current 18-55 that came with it.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
How wide do you want to go? The DA35 would otherwise be a perfect fit, but it's more like a normal lens on digital.

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01-05-2014, 01:05 PM   #3
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I vote 21 - even with a hood the pancake design is very compact and it is similar to classic 28mm FoV. Paired with the DA 50-200 WR - my favorite walk around set up.
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If you don't mind something kind of big, the Samyang 14mm f/2.8 is a great choice for really wide pictures. It's a manual focus lens, but otherwise completely modern, with good coatings and auto-aperture. Lack of autofocus isn't really an issue for a lens this wide.

They're also sold under the brands Rokinon, Bower, Pro Optic, and Vivitar. The Vivitar version is labeled 13mm for some reason, but it's the same lens. They usually sell for around $300.

Bower 14mm f/2.8 Ultra Wide Angle Lens for Pentax/Samsung DSLRs

The lens was just released in the past few years, so used will be difficult to find, but they're cheap enough new.

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Pentax has many options here -- the 14/2.8 and the 15mm and 21mm limiteds all offer very good IQ.

It all depends on what focal length you want. Remember that simply cropping an image will not give you the same image as one taken with a longer focal length lens. A lot of aspects come into play, especially at the wide end. Perspective is highly distorted at the 14/15mm range because things that are relatively far away become miniscule, and close by things become large. These lenses are great at capturing vast landscapes but are also quite specific in their use. If you want to capture the massiveness of a mountain and you're not close to it, you're not gonna be able to do it with a super wide lens because the mountain's size will diminish amongst everything else around it.The 21mm is more usable as a lens because its perspective distortion isn't nearly as prevalent as on a 14/15mm lens. So your shooting style comes into play here as well. I have to say I love my 15mm but I always pair it with one or two other lenses because shooting at 15mm exclusively gets annoying and difficult at times. When I do find the right situation to use it, it delivers.
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There's also the Sigma Super Wide II, which is 24mm f/2.8. It's very sharp, cheap, and small, though the flare resistance is poor. There's a manual-focus, auto-aperture version which sells for around $100, and an autofocus version worth twice as much.
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1) Look at your photos and see what focal length you like-tend to use most. Then
2) narrow down to AF or manual (AF may not be very important with very wide lenses), and then
3) lens speed (aperture) and
4) price range you have in mind.
Once you sort this out look at lens reviews and maybe come back to this forum for guidance/opinions.
On a Pentax (cropped) dslr 28mm-35mm focal length tends to be normal, 24mm and wider is wide angle
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Another vote for 21.

It is far from being perfect optically, but it is a joy to use

Also, you can find them used for a good price.

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If you're comfortable with MF,
and pressing the AE button to set the shutter speed in M mode,
I'd recommend the K24/2.8.
It's my go-to lens for "beater" camera type use.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-24mm-F2.8-Lens.html
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Inexpensive, wide angle, good quality. You can only choose two. The exception might be Samyang lenses, if you don't mind lack of AF and some QC concerns.
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Samyang 14/2.8
Pentax-k 28/3.5
Sigma 24/2.8 manual or auto focus.
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100% concur.

QuoteOriginally posted by Na Horuk Quote
Inexpensive, wide angle, good quality. You can only choose two. The exception might be Samyang lenses, if you don't mind lack of AF and some QC concerns.
AF is not needed at f8 and it really rocks on film. A feature is that it is huge and impressive.
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QuoteOriginally posted by peterjcb Quote
... inexpensive used fixed wide angle lens ...
How wide and how inexpensive do you have in mind? If your current 18-55 is not wide enough then the Samyang 14 is a possibility.
01-05-2014, 06:19 PM   #14
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thanks for all the helpful suggestions but since this is just a beater camera I wanted something less expensive than all of the suggestions above.
I only paid $250 for the K200D with a battery grip and the DA18-55 lens.
I ended up buying a used DA 18-55 II at KEH for $69.00 so I'll sell the regular DA18-55 to recoup most of the cost of what I paid for the DA 18-55 II and end up with exactly what I wanted for just a little over $250.00 total.
I think that will give me a pretty good range for a walk around beater with a respectable IQ lens.

Thanks for all you help!
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I love my 21 limited...perfect focal length for me and has the limited build quality and picture quality. I also really like my 28mm SMC takumar...great tak character and feel.
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