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01-13-2014, 05:34 AM   #1
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Which 85 to buy?

The Canidates

1. Takumar 85 1.8/1.9
2. Jupiter 9
3. The M 85 F2
4. Samyang 85 1.4

Which would you prefer and why?

(I you happent to want to ease up on your LBA hit me a offer in PM. *lol*)

01-13-2014, 05:57 AM   #2
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3. The M85/2 is a wonderful lens so far for me.
1. Tak 85 (1.8) is very good... maybe a little better than the M85 that chance I had to compare the two
2. A Jupiter 9 is not bad, but look out for small issues that may need correcting.
4. I would like to try the Samyang or any of its versions out... some reviews seem to say it is very good?
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I should say that I shoot almost only with manual primes, and mostly M42.
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Shooting on what body?

My only 85 is the M85/2. I love it and it is very sharp from f/2.8, but wide open there is significant fringing on digital. I won't hesitate to use f/2 if I'm shooting film or B&W digital though. So it depends on your needs. Outside of the PF, though, very good lens. By all accounts the Samyang 85/1.4 is a superior lens optically, but the build quality can't touch the M85 and the size (for me) is just too much. Tough to beat if you want f/1.4 though! (My buddy has one and likes it.)

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I shoot on a Pentax K-5. My stomach says Takumar or M 85, but a good copy of jupiter 9 is tempting. It has more an identity to the pictures.
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I have been fortunate enough to own a Takumar 85/1.9 for many years. I first used it on film and now on digital.
There is only one comment I can apply- stunning!
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M85 f/2.0

Add another vote for the M85mm f/2.0. For digital B+W and film, it's my favorite short tele. Great Bokeh, too!
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I have all four lenses or five if we count both versions of the Takumars . Each has it own pros and cons and I'm keeping them all. Did I say I have a major LBA issue?

However, if I had to pick one, I would go with the Takumar 85 1.8 because:
1) Build quality
2) Lovely rendering wide open and very sharp at f4
3) M42 mount therefore can be easily mount on other DSLR, especially on FF camera for movies
4) Cheap, well used to be cheap

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I have a Jupiter 9. It's big and heavy but very nice rendering. That would be my vote. Wonderful!
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QuoteOriginally posted by 6BQ5 Quote
I have a Jupiter 9. It's big and heavy but very nice rendering. That would be my vote. Wonderful!
Yep. I can vouch for the J-9 as well, though I would insert a few cautionary notes:
  • When I bought mine in 2008, I paid $130 USD new from Russia. Wow! What a deal!
  • Current price new is almost twice that...not quite as sweet a deal
  • A hood is mandatory, though having one on is generally a good idea regardless of lens
  • The paint on mine is slightly conductive resulting in my camera (K10D) occasionally detecting the lens as having "A" contacts. That can result in unexpected behavior when attempting stop-down metering. I know, it makes not sense.
  • Using the J-9 is ponderous at best due to weight and viscous lubricants for both the focus ring and pre-set ring
Something else to consider regardless of which lens you choose is the matter of managing manual focus with a fast longer lens. My personal experience has been that I could not get reliably sharp photos with my J-9 until I upgraded to an aftermarket focus screen having a split-image focus aid.

For a sampler of J-9 photos, I can recommend Rense Haveman's recent "Single in December" set on Flickr:

Single in December 2013 - a set on Flickr

You can also take a look at photos from my Flickr stream taken with the J-9 (both film and digital):

Fotostevia on Flickr: jupiter-9


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I have seen stunning photos from the Jupiter-9, which is why I got one for myself in the first place, but my copy is absolute cr*p wide open (see my review on this site). The Samyang/Rokinon 85 is lovely (see example below), the only caveat being the strong bokeh fringing wide open that can be very obvious in high contrast areas.

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Did someone say the Samyang has poor build quality? I find that unlikely. My Samyang 24 and 35 are each built excellently, even though they are not all metal.
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I have 2 85's. The Auto Tak 85/f1.8 and the Contax Zeiss 85/f2.8 Sonnar. I have shot both against each other and they are equals. I use the CZ more because I have a K mount on it and I do not have to extract the M42/K adapter in the dark (when I usually shoot in the evening) when I change lenses.

The Auto Tak 85/f1.8 is built like a tank - nothing but metal and glass, its heavy. Its very sharp. One of the advantages is that its focus throw is about 300 degrees, so it is designed for manual focus.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Cloapex Quote
The Canidates

1. Takumar 85 1.8/1.9
2. Jupiter 9
3. The M 85 F2
4. Samyang 85 1.4

Which would you prefer and why?

(I you happent to want to ease up on your LBA hit me a offer in PM. *lol*)
I have the super tak 85/1.9 and the samyang 85/1.4

I would have to say, overall, I think the samyang lens is a great deal at 329 new. The coatings are much better than the tak, which is 40 years older

I do like the tak for the build, and I got it at a great price but the greatest downfall of legacy lenses is coatings. It is much more prone to flare and internal reflections especially with bright lights in insight shots.
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QuoteOriginally posted by fuent104 Quote
Did someone say the Samyang has poor build quality? I find that unlikely. My Samyang 24 and 35 are each built excellently, even though they are not all metal.
I think this is a great comment. People equate plastic lens barrels with poor quality, but I find the samyang is excellent in quality Especially considering the price
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