Originally posted by wildman Eventually zooms will get to a level of optical performance where they will become the default lens type for most types of photography. It doesn't matter that primes will always be capable of theoretically better optical performance but only that zooms will achieve a certain absolute level of performance that makes them suitable for serious photography.
Yup, zoom lenses are already the default for beginner kits, as well as many professional applications. It's just the stubborn enthusiasts that have the luxury of taking our time and switching lenses, who primarily can actually afford, in cost, time, and risk, to use a kit of primes as our primary kit, as it were. I suppose primes will generally be used in landscape photography, but that is quite specialized and those folks are arguably better served with a medium format camera on their tripod, so carrying a few primes is no big deal. And a lot of pros who do use primes need to carry two bodies.
Originally posted by wildman Primes will still be around but they will become much more specialized and narrow in purpose rather like a macro lens is now but even more so. I can imagine large aperture lens' optimized just for narrow DOF and bokeh for instance and not intended to be normally used at more than f/4 for instance. Many primes may become so specialized we will only see them in studios.
Canon has the f/1.0 and nobody would spend that kind of money just to use it at f/8. They didn't even bother with rounded aperture blades on that one.
I wonder if we will ever see another specialty lens like the F85 Soft Focus. (Oddly that one started at only f/2.8 and did go to f/32.)
Originally posted by wildman Another thing to consider is that sensors are getting better so that someday f/3.5 may be considered a "fast" lens. Better sensors will have a lot to do with making zooms useful.
As others have noted, the whole DA Limited lineup (including the 20-40 zoom) supports that philosophy. I was initially put off by the slowness of the DA15 and DA21, but the DA21 is one of my most used lenses. I can't say I've ever personally run into a situation where I needed it to be faster, on the K-5.
Also, much of the clamoring over full-frame cameras today are hipsters chasing shallow DOF, because it is so much cooler than their P&S cameras they had as kids, or the cell phones they have now. I don't recall so much obsession over 1-cm-shallow DOF during the original full-frame days (film). 35 mm film became popular because it was as small as you could go, without getting too grainy, not because it was some kind of holy grail. And people knew they needed to stop their lenses down. Fast lenses were more of an necessity for low light, at the risk of getting everything out of focus. And they were always more expensive, which didn't mean they were always better in every way. Okay, sorry for the rant.
I've largely given up on shooting my DA*55 at f/1.4, it's often just too narrow to be useful.